In a re-make of Voyager..
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Hi Propita,
The studios own it. They can't butt out!
It was Rick Berman and Brannon Braga who used to trot out that excuse every time they didn't want to take responsibility for some decision they'd made that wasn't popular with the fanbase. B & B were the employees and it was their job to make things work for the employers/owners, the studios.
Can't disagree with you about the inconsistency though. You're absolutely right about that! And that was Rick Berman and Brannon Braga's jobs to take care of all that.
Back to the question.
Today's actors or actresses...hmmmm.
Seriously? I'd love to have seen what Meryl Streep or Sigourny Weaver could have done as Janeway!
Chuckling
Most of the decisions that were unpopular WEREN'T made by them.
OK. What?
How about the Chakotay and Seven pairing? That was a decision made by Brannon Braga.
Chuckling
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I would cast Jeri Ryan as Seven Of Nine. 
OK. What?
How about the Chakotay and Seven pairing? That was a decision made by Brannon Braga.
Chuckling
Dropping the Maquis/Fed tensions (though really, that wouldn't have lasted longer than 1 season or so if they had kept it).
No continuing storylines (this was Jeri Taylor's fault too though).
There were conceptual problems with the series, however, right from the start.
Like not having a plot that didn't suffer from the Gilligan problem.
OK. What?
How about the Chakotay and Seven pairing? That was a decision made by Brannon Braga.
Chuckling
Dropping the Maquis/Fed tensions (though really, that wouldn't have lasted longer than 1 season or so if they had kept it).
No continuing storylines (this was Jeri Taylor's fault too though).
There were conceptual problems with the series, however, right from the start.
Like not having a plot that didn't suffer from the Gilligan problem.
ALL of these were decisions were made by Rick Berman. He was also responsible for their implementation. That was his job.
The studios carry the blame for what network they put it on, and what time slot etc., Rick Berman was responsible to the studios for making sure the show rates and certainly if the studio executives think he's making decisions that will hamper the shows success, they'll speak up and may veto things or ask for alternatives. i.e. Janeway's hairstyle. It was then Rick Berman (and eventually Brannon Braga's) job to come up with options for the executives to choose from in consultation with Berman and he should have been consulting with his Showrunner (who was eventually Braga).
But everything you've spoken about has been Rick Berman and/or Brannon Braga's decisions and they were also responsible for how they were implemented.
Chuckling
No they weren't, even his fellow Producers (Piller and Taylor) knew that. Out of the three, it was Taylor who wanted the show to be lighter and softer.
VOY wasn't syndicated like TNG and DS9 were, it was under direct network control. The UPN higher-ups had the real power over it, opposed to those others where Piller, Berman and Behr had the power.
Braga wasn't even a showrunner until S5, and he was only a showrunner until S6.
But this is getting way off-topic.
Moore wouldn't have made VOY better, what VOY really needed was a plot that wasn't self-defeating and more forethought put into things.
You take all the trouble of sending them to the Delta Quadrant? Don't waste that set-up by having them spend the whole show running AWAY from the Delta Quadrant, actually have the spend the majority of the series in the DQ and define the place as well as the Alpha Quadrant has been defined.
And hell, if that proves too problematic because of the huge shadow the Borg cast over the DQ, have them get stuck on the far side of the Beta Quadrant or an extreme end of the Alpha Quadrant.
Sorry but you're not reading what I've said. I made the point earlier that Braga wasn't the Showrunner all the way through and these decisions were made by Rick Berman in consultation with the Showrunner of the time.
Fact is that Rick Berman was the Executive Producer and he was the Head Honcho. As such, it was his responsibility for the final decisions every single time.
I have not introduced any talk of Ron Moore or the other Showrunners or producers. Rick Berman was where the buck stopped and his was the final word on any decisions, even when the studio bosses wanted something different.
BTW, you introduce another point. There's a big difference between the owners of *Star Trek* (CBS/Paramount Pictures) and the NETWORK heads who were at UPN.
As I said before, Rick Berman was responsible and answerable to the studio: CBS Paramount at the time.
His dealings with the Network Executives is a whole other ballgame!
But Rick Berman was still where the buck stopped.
Chuckling
CBS/Paramount were a non-issue with VOY, the real interference was from UPN.
And THEY were superior to Berman, able to issue demands and changes because VOY was the flagship show for their network.
UPN were the ones who gave most if not all the show changes that Berman had to implement. Mike Piller even said so!
But like I said, this is dragging this off-topic too much. What a VOY re-make needs is:
- A plot beyond "going home", one that allows them to better flesh out the area of space they're in. If they bothered sending them out that far, then don't WASTE it by having them running away from it the whole series! The series should have a plot that requires them to STAY in that area.
- Trim the cast, there's nothing wrong with making Kim, Kes and Neelix into secondary recurring characters. Torres should also be a secondary but she can still have her name be in the primary cast list.
- Better define other characters: The Maquis either should all have real issues with Starfleet beyond the DMZ situation and the Cardassians (neither of which are present)
OR
The "second crew" meant to generate tensions with the Fleeters should be DQ Aliens that were being held on the Caretakers' Array (or by the Kazon on the planet) that help the Fleeters escape in exchange for passage on what is the most advanced ship in the area (Voyager).
- The ship has auto-repair functions that allow it to be self-sufficient enough that they don't have to waste every second episode on getting food or new raw materials for the ship. Maybe it gets enhanced with Caretaker tech before they leave, or they take as much Caretaker tech off the Array before it blows and this assimilates into the ship making it more self-sufficient.
And THEY were superior to Berman, able to issue demands and changes because VOY was the flagship show for their network.
UPN were the ones who gave most if not all the show changes that Berman had to implement. Mike Piller even said so!
But like I said, this is dragging this off-topic too much. What a VOY re-make needs is:
- A plot beyond "going home", one that allows them to better flesh out the area of space they're in. If they bothered sending them out that far, then don't WASTE it by having them running away from it the whole series! The series should have a plot that requires them to STAY in that area.
- Trim the cast, there's nothing wrong with making Kim, Kes and Neelix into secondary recurring characters. Torres should also be a secondary but she can still have her name be in the primary cast list.
- Better define other characters: The Maquis either should all have real issues with Starfleet beyond the DMZ situation and the Cardassians (neither of which are present)
OR
The "second crew" meant to generate tensions with the Fleeters should be DQ Aliens that were being held on the Caretakers' Array (or by the Kazon on the planet) that help the Fleeters escape in exchange for passage on what is the most advanced ship in the area (Voyager).
- The ship has auto-repair functions that allow it to be self-sufficient enough that they don't have to waste every second episode on getting food or new raw materials for the ship. Maybe it gets enhanced with Caretaker tech before they leave, or they take as much Caretaker tech off the Array before it blows and this assimilates into the ship making it more self-sufficient.
Actually Anwar, you're still off topic.
Here's the topic:
"
In a re-make of Voyager..
In a re-make of Voyager whom of todays actress and actors would be cast for the different roles in Star Trek?
What do think,.. or wish?..."
As I said, I would love to have seen Meryl Streep or Sigourney Weaver as Janeway. Someone older but still active.
Chuckling
Here's the topic:
"
In a re-make of Voyager..
In a re-make of Voyager whom of todays actress and actors would be cast for the different roles in Star Trek?
What do think,.. or wish?..."
As I said, I would love to have seen Meryl Streep or Sigourney Weaver as Janeway. Someone older but still active.
Chuckling
Chuckling;5391723 [B said:
Aw come on, where's the real fun in that?
If you say "re-make" might as well go into it and examine genuine conceptual flaws in the show that should be remedied in a re-make.
That's the idea!
Your choice of who you would put into the roles will reveal how you would have handled the problems.
Chuckling
