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IMHO, Resurrection was just missing something

Thrall said:
StarryEyed said:
I liked both Statistical Probabilities and Chrysalis. That scene where the Jack Pack does Do Re Mi and Serena finds her voice is one of the most touching scenes in Star Trek. Tears me up every time.

"That's a stupid question."
"That's a stupid question too."

:guffaw:

Yeah, I'd forgotten about that.

Jack: You'd be surprised how well it worked.

Nog: I'll say.
 
StarryEyed said:
I liked both Statistical Probabilities and Chrysalis. That scene where the Jack Pack does Do Re Mi and Serena finds her voice is one of the most touching scenes in Star Trek. Tears me up every time.
Unfortunately that's the only good part in the episode.
 
I'm guessing that if a lot of the so-called filler episodes were replaced by war episodes, then then same people who complain about them would be complaining that the show was too one-note in its last two years. Not only do shows like "Chrysalis" and "Resurrection" give the audience a breather from the heavy dramatic episodes, they also reflect the fact that life goes on despite a war.

I like the quote in the Deep Space Nine Companion about "Resurrection." Paraphrasing, it said that no matter what followed the Occupation arc and the wedding, people would have been disappointed. Really, what could have bettered or topped those shows?
 
Smiley said:
I'm guessing that if a lot of the so-called filler episodes were replaced by war episodes, then then same people who complain about them would be complaining that the show was too one-note in its last two years.
So ... your thesis is that a criticism is invalid because you imagine that if the show had been made to answer the criticism, then the critiques would want things back the other way.

I'm not sure what logical fallacy that is, but it's got to be at least one.
 
The wedding sucked because it was a very bad episode, not because it came after the occupation. Although the occupation should indeed have lasted for all of Season 6, it still would have been very satisfactory to place a good episode right after the 6 episode arc.

Likewise with Resurrection and Chrysalis. The problem is not that they lack the Dominion or that they are light-hearted, the problem is simply that they are terrible, boring episodes with no point.

Photon said:
I somehow always forget about the Dominion part of SP b/c the Mensatards always dominate

Yeah and also since you are watching on Spike, they probably butcher out some minutes from Weyoun & Damar's scenes, which is tragic.

I like Jack's initial scenes in Statistical Probabilities, they show how he got to be a mensatard as you put it because they locked him away in an asylum for being too smart. Jack being annoying isn't entirely his fault; it's that he was mistreated by other humans that made him become that way. Although all the depth like that was absent in the horrible "Chrysalis" follow-up, in which Jack suffered from character assasination IMO.

The "singing/lip-syncing" scene in Chryalis was the most atrociously horrible scene ever put into Trek. So embarrasing it should be erased from existence. Not even Voyager's singing clown doctor scenes are that bad. :(
 
Nebusj said:
Smiley said:
I'm guessing that if a lot of the so-called filler episodes were replaced by war episodes, then those same people who complain about them would be complaining that the show was too one-note in its last two years.
So ... your thesis is that a criticism is invalid because you imagine that if the show had been made to answer the criticism, then the critiques would want things back the other way.

I'm not sure what logical fallacy that is, but it's got to be at least one.

You misread my point, then. The underlying "thesis" of that quoted sentence is that Trek fans as a collective are never satisfied.

The perfect level of connectivity for each episode in the last two seasons to the Dominion War is completely subjective. Even now, I see some fans posting that DS9 was all about the war in its later years. It's not unreasonable to think that this reaction would be more prevalent if every episode in the last two years of the show actually did relate to the war.
 
This episode simply showed how much DS9 missed Peter Allen Fields. In the first two seasons many if not most of DS9's really strong episodes were Kira-centered and dealt with Bajor in one way or another (such as "Duet" and "The Collaborator"). But after the changeup of much of the writing staff the Kira/Bajor stuf started to get weaker with a few notable exceptions (most of which were Sisko-Emissary storylines). Without question the vast majority of Kira's greatest episodes occurred in the first three seasons. But as the series progressed it was as if TPTB did not know how to use her as effectively in terms of storylines centering on her. It would have been perfect if Fields had stuck around after Moore and Echevarria came on board. Fields was an exceptional writer for the show and to have his tremendous skills on hand to go along with the other tremendous writers would have made a great show even greater IMO.
 
StarryEyed said:
I liked both Statistical Probabilities and Chrysalis. That scene where the Jack Pack does Do Re Mi and Serena finds her voice is one of the most touching scenes in Star Trek. Tears me up every time.

"That's a stupid question!"

:lol:
 
"Chrysalis" had Trek's greatest musical number ever though, so I could never hate it. ;)
 
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