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I'm not crying, your crying.

Again that's not quite exactly what I said and I have already explained what my reason is for preferring Picard. Maybe season 3 of Discovery won't suffer in the same way as its earlier seasons and finds its sweet spot. If that happens I'll be more than happy to say that it makes Picard look like trash.

One Man's Trash is another Man's Treasure. We won't all like the same things in the same way.

Why do they need to exist in a treasure/trash dichotomy at all?
 
Why do they need to exist in a treasure/trash dichotomy at all?

Well you seemed a little bothered maybe by my use of the word trash?

Bare in mind I also said I enjoyed Discovery and would love for S3 to be a huge success. I have no ill will towards the show, just feel Picard is doing the thing that irked me the most about Discovery much better.
 
It's more fertile than sitting around a conference room. It's an arc like show rather than save-the-planet-of-the-week. He's not discharging diplomatic functions. There's real grief from Picard over Data, But, yeah, it hasn't broken boundaries as such.

Picard is still a tower of virtue. Picard is still clashing with Admiral Nasty McGrumpyboots types. He's still going maverick because the Federation isn't Federation enough. We're looking at resurrecting a Spocklike figure again. We're still speaking of Data's daughter. We're still at the stage where synths haven't got their rights and we'll be seeing Picard fight for that. There's a strong TNG anchorage sofar.
 
It's more fertile than sitting around a conference room. It's an arc like show rather than save-the-planet-of-the-week. He's not discharging diplomatic functions. There's real grief from Picard over Data, But, yeah, it hasn't broken boundaries as such.

Picard is still a tower of virtue. Picard is still clashing with Admiral Nasty McGrumpyboots types. He's still going maverick because the Federation isn't Federation enough. We're looking at resurrecting a Spocklike figure again. We're still speaking of Data's daughter. We're still at the stage where synths haven't got their rights and we'll be seeing Picard fight for that. There's a strong TNG anchorage sofar.

He's a tower of self-righteousness, IMO, and has been since he grew to be offended by his younger Kirk wanabee self. And I don't really see self-righteousness as a virtue. He's going to get the people he brings with him into danger that may or may not be worth it, I hope, after all, he's an old man with a serious and developing brain condition.
 
IMO, TNG was successful by playing it safe. Compared to TOS it pushed few envelopes, and tended to reinforce and reassure than challenge. It very much the reason that The Orville has been so successful and why, so far, Picard has garnered a lot of Berman era nostalgists. These are people who like having TNG on in the background, as a comfort blanket. It remains to see if Picard will offer something like that in the end, or if it challenges them. But the larger audience aren't people who like to be challenged.

I almost think Picard should appear on Discovery. Somehow his mere presence is the only way they'll give it an actual chance. How that makes sense? Don't ask me. But sometimes fact is stranger than fiction.
 
I almost think Picard should appear on Discovery. Somehow his mere presence is the only way they'll give it an actual chance. How that make sense? Don't ask me. But sometimes fact is stranger than fiction.

maybe in 2 years, we'll get a big time travelling crossover between all the shows. Seems to have worked for other shared universes lately.
 
Akiva Goldsman seems to think that a scifi show that blows things up on a regular basis, say Discovery is unlike his show, Picard, and isn't therefore as serious a drama as Picard. Has no one told him
Dahj got blown up in the first ep and Mars is shown getting seriously blown up in ep 2?
 
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Akiva Goldsman seems to think that a scifi show that blows things up on a regular basis, say Discovery is unlike his show, Picard, and isn't therefore as serious a drama as Picard. Has no one told him

Then it's a good thing Michelle Paradise is the one heading up the writing staff for DSC S3 and not him. ;)
 
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Comparing the two is the not the same as saying "likes and dislikes." Comparing the two is a competition, to my mind. Maybe others treat it differently, but if we are going to talk about disliking DSC shouldn't that go in the DSC sub-forum? :shrug:

Is DSC so sour that it must absolutely be castigated at every turn? :sigh: Because, that's not interesting discussion to my mind. Especially on a forum about a different show. Reminds me of when Abrams' Trek came out.

This is literally the only sub forum this thread can go in. The mother of all hissy fits would take place if it went in the Discovery sub forum.

Also yes, in my opinion Discovery is that bad. It blows frankly.
 
Akiva Goldsman seems to think that a scifi show that blows things up on a regular basis, say Discovery is unlike his show, Picard, and isn't therefore as serious a drama as Picard. Has no one told him
Dahj got blown up in the first ep and Mars is shown getting seriously blown up in ep 2?

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