I'm building the entire Starship Enterprise interior at 1:25 scale

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by Mike Nevitt, Mar 5, 2023.

  1. Warped9

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    Awhile back someone figured out the internal volume of the TOS E and they found there is lots of room inside particularly for only 430 crew. And while 947ft. length mighn’t be all that big by wet navy standards it is massive when you consider the height and width and the fact it flies freely off the ground.
     
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  2. PCz911

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    the USS Iowa m a wwii battleship, is a museum in San Pedro. They have a hot dog stand on the stern where you can grab a dog and a beer and sit in the Adirondack chairs and watch the port traffic. It’s also right next to the cruise ships…who tower over the battleship! That amazed me! A battleship dwarfed by the Disney princess line!
     
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    According to this list, there are only eleven naval vessels ever built by any navy that surpass 947 feet in length. And they are all carriers, except for one crazy huge converted ocean liner from WW1.

    How big would a ship 250 years in the future need to be to support a five year mission carrying 430 people? I mean, really? I think we all know that if starships are ever actually built, they’ll have engines the size of walnuts, be the size of a smart car, and have a crew of zero, with uploaded minds occupying the gigascape computer. Just sayin’.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_naval_ships
     
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  5. Phaser Two

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    I don't remember the FJ plans on that. What did FJ do?
     
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    Thanks. Yay - that's always been my opinion (reached independent of the FJ plans - and thanks for the link so I can bookmark it), so I'm glad to see it validated.
     
  8. Metryq

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    That is part of the point I was trying to make above. In James P. Hogan's "Giants" series, the alien Ganymeans have gravitational engineering, which means a lot more than sticking to the floor in spaceships. Their planetary cities have "Enterprise-like" shapes that should not be able to stand up, yet are more robust than much smaller structures over-built out of steel, like the Empire State Building. (A plane crashed into the ESB in the '40s, and that building is still here. The Trade Towers, while admittedly taking a much heftier wallop, were also built to much closer tolerances.)

    You can find lots of handwavium on-line about how the Federation warp drives work like Alcubierre drives, or some other "stasis field" fantasy. That basically means that the ship itself and everyone in it never experience any acceleration forces. But is some of the ship's structure "virtual"? That is, is an unpowered ship fragile, while a powered ship is embedded in advanced technology amber? Mr. Flint? Bueller? How big can your dinosaur get before its bones and muscles cannot support it? Heck, the Doomsday Machine was made out of fantasy material "neutronium." What is Star Wars's Death Star made from?
     
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  9. blssdwlf

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    I'd say that the TOS Enterprise's materials are so far ahead that the entire structure is magic. That's the beauty of the design, IMHO. We've seen her out of power (but not life support) in "The Immunity Syndrome" and get thrown out by a massive explosion but since there was life support we don't know what else might've been operating in the background...
     
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  10. Phaser Two

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    The inertial dampeners do a lot of work and luckily never seem to become inoperative. However, I'm not sure they were ever mentioned until the TNG/DS9/VOY triad of series.

    Why does the (original) Enterprise have to be able to stand? Isn't what it does closer to floating? Now, Voyager (which is apparently roughly the same size in many respects) does have to be able to stand, as it can land.
     
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    The TOS Enterprise doesn't have to stand. She just needs to be able to survive (unpowered) the overpressure and rapid acceleration from being thrown out of a giant Earth-sized amoeba exploding. However the ship has lost power so many times in fast decaying orbits that she probably frequently experiences 10-30% of Earth's gravity at her typical orbital altitude.

    You are correct in that inertial dampeners and structural integrity fields were never mentioned in TOS.
     
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    Nowhere in TOS/TAS/MOVIES was SIF or inertial dampers mentioned or referred to?
     
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    Inertial dampers were never mentioned on screen, but they were at least part of fan lore back in the day. SIF's were a TNG thing. (Like Warp Core and Coils.)
     
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    That's correct. Never mentioned in dialogue or in a visual in TOS/TAS/TOS Movies...
     
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    Scotty I'm sure mentions "dampers" at some point in TOS; I will have to rack my brain to remember where, lol.
     
  17. blssdwlf

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    The only time Scotty orders "dampers" was for slowing down the ship in "The Changeling".
    NOMAD: The energy release controls are also most inefficient. I shall effect repair.
    ENGINEER: Warp eight, Mister Scott, and increasing.
    SCOTT: Throw your dampers.
    ENGINEER: Warp nine.
    SCOTT: Cut your circuits, all of them.
    ENGINEER: Warp ten, Mister Scott.
    SCOTT: Impossible. It can't go that fast.
    ENGINEER: It just won't stop, Mister Scott. Warp eleven!​
     
  18. somebuddyX

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    This looks like a cool project and lots of fun!
     
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    That's it, thank you. That was sure easier than racking my brain!! lol
     
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    He’s got a new video.

     
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