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It is also possible that the viruses and bacteria of new planets are so alien to folks from off-world and their alien biology that they don't affect them. The viruses and bacteria of a planet have evolved to act within that particular ecosystem not the alien one that is a Klingon, human, or any other off world visitor. No magic involved whatsoever.

That could be true in some cases, but there are many, many examples where the characters are shown to be able to eat the local food (and a few cases where the locals ate them!). I won't use the examples of species interbreeding since presumably we're only talking about new unexplored worlds.

It's a little unlikely that macroscopically the biosphere would evolve to be compatible and microscopically it wouldn't.

I suppose a transporter could keep a reference matrix for each transportee, and then filter out what didn't match that. But how would they allow for mental changes? How would they prevent a memory wipe every time you beamed back from a planet? It would also make acquiring tattoos a waste of time. OTOH, perhaps such technology could be used to counter the ageing process.

These things have all been shown onscreen, except for the tattoo example.

Anyway, the answer is
it is magic. That's what I was afraid of.

You sound surprised. Trek is not hard s.f. and never has been. It's riddled with this stuff.
 
It is also possible that the viruses and bacteria of new planets are so alien to folks from off-world and their alien biology that they don't affect them. The viruses and bacteria of a planet have evolved to act within that particular ecosystem not the alien one that is a Klingon, human, or any other off world visitor. No magic involved whatsoever.

That could be true in some cases, but there are many, many examples where the characters are shown to be able to eat the local food (and a few cases where the locals ate them!). I won't use the examples of species interbreeding since presumably we're only talking about new unexplored worlds.

It's a little unlikely that macroscopically the biosphere would evolve to be compatible and microscopically it wouldn't.
I put it down to the inconsistency of fiction and needs of the plot rather than macroscopic and microscopic issues. It would be reasonable to postulate that most food stuffs on an alien planet would be nutritionally valueless even if harmless for the same evolutionary reasons. Having only one planet to speculate from, any alien foods or diseases will act according to plot.
 
It's a little unlikely that macroscopically the biosphere would evolve to be compatible and microscopically it wouldn't.
I'm not at all sure this would be true. Proteins are proteins, and we consume a staggering variety of those in our hunger for fairly simple amino acids; our digestion isn't concerned with the finer chemical detail of those proteins because brutal destruction suffices. We could probably easily eat off-Earth products of all sorts without restricting ourselves to things that we can breed with or share diseases with. In theory, we could derive nutrition from chemicals unassociated with terrestrial life altogether.

In contrast, diseases need to make use of our bodies in order to be effective. Unlike, say, our digestive fluids, they aren't mere undifferentiated chemicals contaminating us - they are in complex interaction with our cells, especially in the virus case that involves extreme sophistication and surprisingly little flexibility.

Life and the flesh involved won't evolve with the purpose of being edible (quite to the contrary), but diseases can only evolve through thriving in and on specific lifeforms. You won't find "generic" diseases floating around, but generic food is a distinct possibility, as there's nothing "ungeneric" or predator/prey-specific about food to begin with.

I suppose a transporter could keep a reference matrix for each transportee, and then filter out what didn't match that. But how would they allow for mental changes?
By not being 100% accurate and rigid. Mere 98% restoration of pre-infection specs would still help defeat the disease while allowing for the rest of the body to "rattle" enough to retain any memories, bruises or fragrances acquired.

Trek is not hard s.f. and never has been.
Well, there's no such thing as "hard s.f.". If it is "hard", it no longer is "s.f." unless that "f" stands for fact. With the first liberty taken, it becomes "soft" - say, like Gravity, despite purporting to remain true to the mechanisms of current space travel.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Well, it's not hard s.f. according to those who use the term.

Except for those who think it is.

Depending on how they mean it.

Okay, never mind.

:p
 
Why don't Starfleet crew hardly ever succumb to local illnesses when they make planetfall? Why don't they get sick from the food or water? Why don't they ever kill off local populations like the colonists unwittingly killing off the Indians? Are various species magically immune to each other's illnesses, viruses, bacteria, bugs? Is this addressed?

How often do your favorite (or non favorite) TV characters from other shows get sick?

I suppose a transporter could keep a reference matrix for each transportee, and then filter out what didn't match that. But how would they allow for mental changes? How would they prevent a memory wipe every time you beamed back from a planet? It would also make acquiring tattoos a waste of time. OTOH, perhaps such technology could be used to counter the ageing process.

Anyway, the answer is "Because science!"

The transporter can detect whether the new thing in a person's body is a brain cell that matches their biochemistry or if it's a foreign organism that should not be in there at all.
 
Then it might have been interesting the first few times Picard tried transporting with his artificial heart. A foreign object that doesn't match his biochemistry, embedded in his body....
:p
 
Then it might have been interesting the first few times Picard tried transporting with his artificial heart. A foreign object that doesn't match his biochemistry, embedded in his body....
:p
Or just slowly starving you by removing whatever you've eaten over a few days of transporting. Or the silly thing confuses the air in your lungs for a foreign object.
 
If it were advanced medical technology, it would have been explained as such. Maybe, in 300 years, we will have that technology.

The "it is a tv show" reason is lazy, obvious and a cheap cop-out. Aren't you at all CURIOUS? Doesn't ST make you CURIOUS about interstellar travel and all of logistical nightmares it presents (like not accidentally killing off billions of aliens with the human flu)?

Here on earth, we can barely travel between countries without taking a dozen meds and vaccines & then we still often get sick anyway. Pack your malaria pills, get your shots and don't drink the water. 90% of the American Indians were killed by European diseases. I was curious as to how future (interstellar) explorers might deal with being exposed to and exposing aliens they encountered to foreign ailments.
 
The "it is a tv show" reason is lazy, obvious and a cheap cop-out. Aren't you at all CURIOUS? Doesn't ST make you CURIOUS about interstellar travel and all of logistical nightmares it presents (like not accidentally killing off billions of aliens with the human flu)?


Nope, because by the time Star Trek premiered (and ever since) I'd read a lot of science fiction and layperson's scientific writing of various kinds - Trek adds not one scintilla of anything novel or particularly observant to any of that. It had all been thought out long before, and continues to be, in venues far more suitable for it.

Because...it's just a TV show. They had an hour to tell a story, not to spin speculations on how the future might work.
 
Why not just watch Friends, then? Those episodes tell stories, too. What's so special about ST that you participate in an online ST forum?
 
I guess all those folks who worked on Star Trek were wasting their time.

But, you're far more likely to catch Dutch Elm disease than some alien one since you evolved together.
 
I read an article on the realism of space exploration as shown in fiction like Star Wars, Star Trek, Space 1999 etc. One of its main points is that they'd have to decontaminate every step of the way. You couldn't just step onto a new planet without protective gear in case there were a disease you could pick up from the planet or infect the planet with Earth diseases.

But in a science fiction series thats just going to drag so they have the transporters 'magically' do that. And when they want to actually have an illness then the transporters didn't work (eg unknown disease)
 
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Why not just watch Friends, then? Those episodes tell stories, too. What's so special about ST that you participate in an online ST forum?

What's wrong with Friends? Or Big Bang Theory? Or Buffy? Or American Horror Story? Or Dexter? Or The Americans? Or Vikings? Or X-Files? Or Warehouse 13? Just to rattle off some of my past and present faves that I enjoy along with Star Trek.

Don't get me wrong. It can be fun to debate the finer points of STAR TREK lore and tech, but that's not the only reason people watch the shows and movies or like to gab on-line about them. Ultimately, people watch shows because they like the characters and settings and because (hopefully) the episodes are well-acted, well-written, and well-produced. Execution often trumps content . . . or genre.

And now I'm going to go watch "The Thing That Cannot Die" on SVENGOOLIE, so you can tell I'm a serious connoisseur of quality television . . . :)
 
and? Is there anything you like about ST?
Why would I watch it if there wasn't? I like the characters, the setting, the costume and set designs. The idealism it presents is also appealing.

Does it fire your curiosity?
Depends on the subject. It's a show with a "toe hold" in reality, so I don't look to it to tell me how the real world will handle space travel. It's drama based fiction not a documentary. It's needs are driven by plot, budget and film making technologies. They don't have the time to give an in depth lecture on how they protect them selves from disease. A hand wave about "biofilters"and "safe for humans" pretty much covers it unless it's the plot point for that episode.
 
Exactly. The "fiction" part of "science fiction" is just as important as the "science." Sometimes more so.
 
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