If you could rewrite Voyager

[STEPhon IT]

That what Roddenberry initially did with LaForge, and TOS had the Asian driver, and DS9 often had the woman driver.

Not sure what point you were trying to make..

Initially exactly and he was later the engineer. Blacks had moved on their history to be driving the white people anymore. Great progress in TOS an intelligent woman who was an officer in communication. A man who created the M5 and was known as a genius, another man who's a judge when Kirk was accused of killing his Records officer..

The feats for blacks gotten better as each incarnation came along except for ENT.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The feats for blacks gotten better as each incarnation came along except for ENT

Isn't the guy who invented the transporter black? Also the Mayweather family running their own ECS ship. I'm sure there must be others.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I never liked NuBSG. Almost as boring as Stargate Universe.

Apparently, it was this successful show where only cult fans had chance to watch.

Can't agree, Ryan showed her acting ability on multiple occasions, she was of definite benefit to the show. Her character enabled the show to go places it wouldn't have without her.

That said, I thought turning Voyager into the Janeway-Seven-Doctor show was a mistake.

I never implied anything about Ryan's ability to perform those lousy scripts from VOY. Because there were more "7" centric episodes didn't make the show any better. If the writers and producers stayed with the shows premise maybe it would've been interesting. I do understand what the character enabled the show to go but I don't believe it had to go there.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Isn't the guy who invented the transporter black? Also the Mayweather family running their own ECS ship. I'm sure there must be others.

Good point, I wish the producers did something interesting for Mayweather.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Good point, I wish the producers did something interesting for Mayweather.

They could have. The idea of a space Boomer was pretty interesting but they dropped the ball. He should have been the most space experienced person on the ship. With a capable actor and solid writing the dichotomy between his age and experience would have made for an interesting character.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I like The Doctor but I didn't really like when he got that emitter. He was more convincing as a hologram restricted to sickbay. Making him !almost human" was too much over the top for me.

Also, he completely abandoned the pursuit of finding a name; something I thought was essential to the character. All of a sudden it was about other things besides that like a love affair with 7 or hologram politics. I agree, he was better off in Sickbay.

 

[STEPhon IT]

They could have. The idea of a space Boomer was pretty interesting but they dropped the ball. He should have been the most space experienced person on the ship. With a capable actor and solid writing the dichotomy between his age and experience would have made for an interesting character.

Sorry, for the drift. I think the Berman casting directors were great; every new incarnation of TNG were a step up from the other. ENT was the best cast of actors but the writers let them down. Give these actors something to do like in "A Mirror Darkly, Part II" and see the potential all on screen.

 

[Lynx]

Also, he completely abandoned the pursuit of finding a name; something I thought was essential to the character. All of a sudden it was about other things besides that like a love affair with 7 or hologram politics. I agree, he was better off in Sickbay.

I don't understand why he gave up his search for a name. It did seem so important for him for a while.

And why did he abandon Schweitzer so quickly. OK, I can understand that he felt sad over Freya's death.

But she was just a hologram. I mean, he could have restarted the program after the holodecks being restored back to normal again, recreated Freya, married her and spent all his free time with her on the holodeck and remained Dr. Schweitzer for the rest of the series.

In some of the Voyager books he's actually called Dr. Zimmerman.

So for me,he'll always be Doctor Lewis Shmullus Schweitzer Zimmerman!

 

[Catarina]

. To me this is not someone who hates Star Trek or SF in general but rather sees a lot of potential being tossed aside for the 'safe' approach. Many people on this thread seem to agree. Tjmo

you got it.

I don't know if you were just going on your own thoughts but I wasn't criticising Beltran. Nor implying mulgrew was. She made general, none specific complaints about actors. Except once in an Oklahoma convention 2007. But I am not here to delve into depths about that.

Anyway, I found it since people like to see sources. From the mouth, as I would as well, not an interpreted transcript.

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[catshadowsi8]

Sorry, for the drift. I think the Berman casting directors were great; every new incarnation of TNG were a step up from the other. ENT was the best cast of actors but the writers let them down. Give these actors something to do like in "A Mirror Darkly, Part II" and see the potential all on screen.

I honestly believe the casting director deserves an Emmy (if there is such a thing). The cast on Voyager was great both for their acting ability and the chemistry between them. Great job!

 

[Catarina]

Loved the casting of voyager. Wouldn't change that. They portayed likable characters which felt like a family . I think most of us agree we cared what happened to them.

 

[catshadowsi8]

you got it.

I don't know if you were just going on your own thoughts but I wasn't criticising Beltran. Nor implying mulgrew was. She made general, none specific complaints about actors. Except once in an Oklahoma convention 2007. But I am not here to delve into depths about that.

Anyway, I found it since people like to see sources. From the mouth, as I would as well, not an interpreted transcript.

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Wow you are my hero. You found it! I honestly tried but no success.

I was not trying to imply you were criticizing Beltran but the written article you put up certainly seemed to paint him in a bad light from Mulgrew's perspective so, since I'm not prone to just accept anything media people spew (since they often have a hidden agenda), I went hunting for it on my own.

Imo, after watching it, the whole idea 'she turns to the first officer's chair' certainly seems to be blown out of context. She is simply talking and glances that way as a reflex. However I do suspect the interviewer was trying to refer to Beltran and his complaints even if he is not named.

Having said that I still disagree with what she says. Imo an actor can only act if he is given material to act with just like a painter needs brushes, paint and canvas or a jockey needs a race horse between his legs and not a mule. However she is certainly entitled to her opinion and I respect that.

 

[Catarina]

I appreciate the clarification. I cannot always comprehend what I read. A weakness of mine I will try to form it into questions. (Having Deja vu here)
I absolutely agree, the video , the source, is more telling than a reporter who tries to retell which is often colored by their interpretation. As for example, how I tried to reflect what I thought you said, and you reiterated. It is why you say, you shouldn't believe everything you read. Things get taken out of context. It makes me crazy how people misconstrued what Kate said about relationship with Chakotay. Relationship isn't a word exclusive to pairing up with someone. You know? But the fans went Gaga putting words in her mouth.

I really enjoyed reading your perspective as I do various ones which is why I visit here. Thank you for sharing it.

 

[catshadowsi8]

Catarina- The internet is a beast and its easy to misunderstand a person so I totally get what you are saying.

On a side note it's interesting you mention Mulgrew and a 'relationship' with Chakotay. In my searching I came across a little clip where Mulgrew says Janeway can't have a sexual relationship with him but she can have something much deeper and meaningful which Mulgrew has encouraged. I totally agree with her and I think Beltran and Mulgrew do a fantastic job portraying this special relationship throughout most of the show though those scenes become much less frequent in the last 2 seasons. She words it perfectly imo.

 

[Lynx]

Loved the casting of voyager. Wouldn't change that. They portayed likable characters which felt like a family . I think most of us agree we cared what happened to them.

Yes, we did.
And that's a reason why I'm not that happy with the current Voyager books. They have split up the family and too many good characters are missing there.

 

[Catarina]

Yes, we did.
And that's a reason why I'm not that happy with the current Voyager books. They have split up the family and too many good characters are missing there.

That is disappointing. I guess that's my way of admitting I don't like change when there's a good thing going

 

[catshadowsi8]

Yes, we did.
And that's a reason why I'm not that happy with the current Voyager books. They have split up the family and too many good characters are missing there.

I have read a few threads that briefly talk about what happens in the books to a few of the individuals and some of it seems out of character or even alarming in some instances. I admire people trying to keep the story going but I'll stick to canon.

 

[Brennyren]

I'm not that happy with the current Voyager books. They have split up the family and too many good characters are missing there.

Well, to be fair, they are kind of up against it -- if they did keep everybody together, there'd be complaints that that was unrealistic. As for me, to be honest, I've rarely picked up any post-return Voyager novels. I've read a couple (I think literally just a couple; maybe two books altogether), but I didn't find them especially interesting. I feel as if just having the characters back in the Alpha Quadrant and interacting with the rest of Fleet changes the dynamic too much. So I guess on this point I really am unpleasable.

 

[catshadowsi8]

Back on topic if I couldn't send them home right after Equinox I would have written Endgame to deal with the female caretaker. In my opinion the Borg were overused and 16 years erased from the time line after what we saw in Shattered just rang false. Bringing back the female caretaker would bring us full circle and could create a great ensemble episode.

 

[fireproof78]

Exactly. And if the Chief Medical Officer is a hologram, when not the biobeds, the tricorders, the plants...

Didn’t Neelix have holographic lungs for a stretch?

The holotech became too magical.

That reminds of something that probably has been brought up before. Make the power of the holodeck the same as the rest of the ship. That means that having power can allow the holodeck to run, and crew members to have some R&R other than each other's company.

Here are some other ideas that I have been kicking around in my mind:

Janeway isn't the captain-immediately. Alright, bear with me Janeway lovers. Yes, I want her as a captain, but I wouldn't mind her not being immediately a captain. If you really want to have fun with it, the original captain could be Commander Shelby. Could even tie in to Seven's conspiracy theory on the Borg, and the tri-cobalt devices.

And, as a clarification, no I don't want Janeway to be some green first officer. I figure this will be one small mission before assuming command, old captain's retirement, or something along those lines. So, instead the XO dying (rather stupidly, in my opinion) its the captain, and Janeway stepping up.

As a secondary clarification, no this isn't a riff on Discovery. I actually am basing part of this idea on a David Gerrold novel and the film "U-571."

Another idea is keeping the Maquis raiders for a time, as a possible risk for them to runaway, and abandon the Starfleet vessel at the first possible opportunity. Let that risk and lack of trust simmer a bit before they are forced to work together in order to survive.