If Worf never came aboard Deep Space 9, do you think Jadzia Dax and Julian Bashir would eventually become a couple, even if only temporarily?

[Tosk]

Worf was also a royal prick to her.

Here's the thing about that...Worf was a prick to a lot of people.

 

[Oddish]

Here's the thing about that...Worf was a prick to a lot of people.

Indeed. Look at how he was in "Ethics" on TNG, for example. Worf had the courage of a berserker cat and the heart of a poet, but the brain of a pigheaded idiot sometimes.

 

[kkt]

Here's the thing about that...Worf was a prick to a lot of people.

Worf got along okay with Odo, as soon as Worf stopped trying to be security chief.

 

[Frontis]

Na, Jadzia and Bashir don't fit together imo.

 

[Crewman6]

Remember also that the Dax we got in the first one and a half seasons wasn't the Dax we got later. Up until then, the idea was that the symbiont was the dominant personality, so they sought to give Dax kind of a "wise old sage" vibe. In S2, they decided to make the host the more dominant personality, andvwe got a more flirtatious, more "fun" Dax. And yes, once Bashir grew up a little and stopped having an over-inflated opinion of himself, he and Jadzia could have gone somewhere.

pre-Dax Jadzia wasn't "flirtatious and fun", she was shy and bookish.

 

[Uxi]

I would have preferred Thomas Riker and likely the same scenario.

 

[Lord Garth]

I don't see it between Bashir and Jadzia Dax. Earlier or later. Bashir doesn't seem to be the type that Jadzia goes for. She likes mysterious, wild, and super-masculine. That's a better description of Worf, not Bashir. Worf will go for real adventure, which Dax loves. Bashir goes for adventure on the Holosuite. Not the same thing.

I can see Bashir and Garak. I can see Bashir and Ezri Dax.

 

[Oddish]

If ecru was a ship, it would be Bashir/Ezri. My reaction to their first kiss was "yeah, whatever. They got it over with."

 

[Yuri Nikolayev]

Indeed. Look at how he was in "Ethics" on TNG, for example. Worf had the courage of a berserker cat and the heart of a poet, but the brain of a pigheaded idiot sometimes.

Worf was a dick. If he was so uncomfortable on DS9, he should have done everyone a favor and just gone away.

 

[kkt]

Worf was a dick. If he was so uncomfortable on DS9, he should have done everyone a favor and just gone away.

He was essential when the plot involved the Klingons, and he had really good chemistry with Jadzia. And without Worf there, we couldn't have had Ezri's "It's dying, and it deserves to die" speech.

Getting along with people who are different is a theme of Star Trek.

 

[Oddish]

And without Worf there, we couldn't have had Ezri's "It's dying, and it deserves to die" speech.

Which leads to one of Worf's most dickish moments, i.e. when he makes a huge mess and demands that Martok clean it up.

 

[kkt]

Which leads to one of Worf's most dickish moments, i.e. when he makes a huge mess and demands that Martok clean it up.

That was being a dick? I thought it was rules of succession, Klingon style. Subordinates can and should challenge their superiors when their superiors are acting from dishonorable motives. As a Starfleet officer, Worf could not have led the Empire himself, so he resigned in favor of Martok. Maybe Worf's greatest moment.

 

[Oddish]

If Martok wanted to lead the Empire, he would have challenged Gowron himself. Worf basically assumed the responsibility, then foisted it off on Martok. Martok should have shoved that coat back on Worf and told him "clean up your own mess, peta'Q!"

 

[kkt]

Martok didn't push the cloak back on Worf because Worf couldn't lead the empire, and it would be bad for the Empire not to have a successor take over immediately. So there's way too much paperwork involved in leading the Empire - it's still not such a bad gig.

 

[Oddish]

Yeah, but if Mr. Woof isn't ready to take on the job, he shouldn't go slicing up Gowron.

 

[DonIago]

And if Martok wasn't okay with leading the empire, he would have refused.

 

[CoveTom]

Early on, Jadzia found Bashir annoying and immature and had no interest in him at all. By the time that changed, they solidified a respectful working relationship and a friendship. I just don't see anything romantic developing between them.

 

[Poltargyst]

Worf was a good character on DS9 who really added something to the show. While I didn't care about Worf on TNG, I thought he was much better on DS9, and he was a draw for me to watch the show.

The above was posted to counter the horrible, untrue character assassination of Worf in this thread.

 

[Davy]

Maybe, though Jadzia never seemed to like boyish types.

FWIW, Ron Moore got asked a "without Worf..." question and hastened to add "Without Worf there wouldn't have BEEN a Season 7 - or 6, or 5!"

 

[Tosk]

FWIW, Ron Moore got asked a "without Worf..." question and hastened to add "Without Worf there wouldn't have BEEN a Season 7 - or 6, or 5!"

Respectfully, I disagree with him. The ratings trended downwards for the entire run of the show anyway. With bumps of course. There are always bumps.