Who knows? Maybe it's just not "politically correct" for women to be women anymore.
Whatever the fuck that means.....
Who knows? Maybe it's just not "politically correct" for women to be women anymore.
Whatever the fuck that means.....
I loved STXI, but making a film and a TV series are two very different things. The approach would have been a little different.
Anyway, wasn't Enterprise supposed to be a modern take on TOS?
Archer = Kirk
T'Pol = Spock as a girl
Hoshi and Travis are Uhura and Sulu with ethnicities swapped.
It failed due to so many abysmal episodes in the first two seasons.
There's a PDF somewhere online of JMS's proposal to reboot TOS in 2004. His proposal kept the crew pretty much as they were, but reimagined the technology and universe. As long as 'reimagined technology' doesn't include that retarded holographic weapons thing from Legend of the Rangers I think it may have been alright.
Anyway, wasn't Enterprise supposed to be a modern take on TOS?
Archer = Kirk
T'Pol = Spock as a girl
Hoshi and Travis are Uhura and Sulu with ethnicities swapped.
It failed due to so many abysmal episodes in the first two seasons.
There's a PDF somewhere online of JMS's proposal to reboot TOS in 2004. His proposal kept the crew pretty much as they were, but reimagined the technology and universe. As long as 'reimagined technology' doesn't include that retarded holographic weapons thing from Legend of the Rangers I think it may have been alright.
That's exactly as I always saw it.
Well they did make TOS today and they pretty much kept everything the same.
How Hollyweird would probably redo TOS as a modern TV show...
Think a sexed-up Gen Y cross between ENT and Ron Moore's BSG. Lots of herky-jerky wandering camera angles. Either dark sets and lots of cussing, or maybe brightly lit sets (like in Logan's Run) with lots of cussing.
They would also feature twentysomething actors portraying 18-22 year old enlisted recruits that keep getting into trouble, and the main cast has to keep bailing them out.
How I would want to see TOS made today...
I'm probably in the minority here, but I think James Cawley (New Voyages) and Jimm & Josh Johnson (Starship Exeter) are onto something. I would revive TOS as TOS with an all-new cast, and more subtle improvements in sets, FX, and with more modern, semi-serialized and mature story themes. (Note I use the word "mature" not to be confused with the word "adult" and its unfortunate connotations in this day and age) Think of it as a grown-up STARGATE SG-1. There would be a renewed emphasis on exploration and other frontier action, as well as risky rescue and experimental missions, and less emphasis on military confrontations. The Cold War is over, but we could see some Cestus III-style action from time to time. I'd like to see more adventures like "Metamorphosis", "Where No Man Has Gone Before", "The Man Trap", "The Galileo Seven", "The Ultimate Computer", "The Menagerie", and "The Tholian Web", only free of the dramatic and technological restrictions of 1960's TV.
(Some good TNG examples would be "The Measure of a Man", "Up The Long Ladder", "The Ensigns of Command", "Tin Man", "The Enemy", "The Defector" and "First Contact". The best post-TOS example by far would be ENT's "First Flight".)
The square blinky monitors along the rim of the Bridge set would be consolidated by two's or three's to become HDTV-style monitors. The controls might be more detailed. I might be tempted to carry on with the same sound FX that Cawley and the Johnsons re-use. I would be tempted to do away with the "cardboard" look of the set walls, in favor of a subtle shift toward a more metalic look somewhat like ENT did. But the sets would be clearly recognizable as TOS.
It would be interesting to see if the cast of the 2009 movie would fit into a TOS-as-TOS series. Paul McGillion would make an interesting Scotty. One thing I would insist on would be at least some continuity with the hairstyles. The female cast members would not wear wigs, but they would have '60's hair. Same for the men. The uniforms would be less sexist, with female minis being replaced with Kate Pulaski-style "skants" and trousers.
As for the FX themselves, the Enterprise would receive a minor makeover, a la Vektor and/or Deg3D. More leaning toward Vektor.
As for continuity, I would not be in favor of genuflecting to it. I would want to see new stories on the frontier. But my TOS would take place in the original TOS Universe and be subject to its history.
And I would love to see Yeoman Tamura on the landing parties, portrayed by Hiromi Oshima, of course.
Think a sexed-up Gen Y cross between ENT and Ron Moore's BSG. Lots of herky-jerky wandering camera angles. Either dark sets and lots of cussing, or maybe brightly lit sets (like in Logan's Run) with lots of cussing.
- Capt. Kirk ... Peter North or some other muscle-bound porn stud, with his nipples peirced and lots of tattoos on his arms and back
- Spock ... Maybe Rachel Luttrell (Stargate Atlantis' Teyla Emmagan) in green makeup and pointed ears, and either with her midriff gratuitously exposed or with a see-thru uniform
- Scotty ... Not sure, probably Paul McGillion (Stargate Atlantis' Dr. Carson Beckett)
- McCoy ... I think they would delete this character, and make Chapel a dcotor
- Sulu ... Definitely Hiromi Oshima
- Chekov ... Don't know, probably some young Vladimir Putin lookalike
- Uhura ... Qiana Chase, in tight see-through jumpsuit all the time
- Chapel - Courtney Rachel Culkin, in tight see-through jumpsuit all the time
They would also feature twentysomething actors portraying 18-22 year old enlisted recruits that keep getting into trouble, and the main cast has to keep bailing them out.
How I would want to see TOS made today...
I'm probably in the minority here, but I think James Cawley (New Voyages) and Jimm & Josh Johnson (Starship Exeter) are onto something. I would revive TOS as TOS with an all-new cast, and more subtle improvements in sets, FX, and with more modern, semi-serialized and mature story themes. (Note I use the word "mature" not to be confused with the word "adult" and its unfortunate connotations in this day and age) Think of it as a grown-up STARGATE SG-1. There would be a renewed emphasis on exploration and other frontier action, as well as risky rescue and experimental missions, and less emphasis on military confrontations. The Cold War is over, but we could see some Cestus III-style action from time to time. I'd like to see more adventures like "Metamorphosis", "Where No Man Has Gone Before", "The Man Trap", "The Galileo Seven", "The Ultimate Computer", "The Menagerie", and "The Tholian Web", only free of the dramatic and technological restrictions of 1960's TV.
(Some good TNG examples would be "The Measure of a Man", "Up The Long Ladder", "The Ensigns of Command", "Tin Man", "The Enemy", "The Defector" and "First Contact". The best post-TOS example by far would be ENT's "First Flight".)
The square blinky monitors along the rim of the Bridge set would be consolidated by two's or three's to become HDTV-style monitors. The controls might be more detailed. I might be tempted to carry on with the same sound FX that Cawley and the Johnsons re-use. I would be tempted to do away with the "cardboard" look of the set walls, in favor of a subtle shift toward a more metalic look somewhat like ENT did. But the sets would be clearly recognizable as TOS.
It would be interesting to see if the cast of the 2009 movie would fit into a TOS-as-TOS series. Paul McGillion would make an interesting Scotty. One thing I would insist on would be at least some continuity with the hairstyles. The female cast members would not wear wigs, but they would have '60's hair. Same for the men. The uniforms would be less sexist, with female minis being replaced with Kate Pulaski-style "skants" and trousers.
As for the FX themselves, the Enterprise would receive a minor makeover, a la Vektor and/or Deg3D. More leaning toward Vektor.
As for continuity, I would not be in favor of genuflecting to it. I would want to see new stories on the frontier. But my TOS would take place in the original TOS Universe and be subject to its history.
And I would love to see Yeoman Tamura on the landing parties, portrayed by Hiromi Oshima, of course.
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I got it, I got it!
30 years after NEM; Captain Jane T. Kirk, great-great granddaughter of the infamous James T. Kirk, takes command of the new USS Enterprise NCC-1701 F. A mile long battle-starship with ten times the firepower of the old Enterprise E. We will call it "Battle-starship Enterprise". The remaining Romulans, who got pissed that Romulus exploded, team up with the Klingons and every other bad guy in the quadrant and wipe out the Federation. Using the top-secret Voyager logs of the Delta quadrant, the Enterprise leads whats left of humanity to find a new home. A shining planet called Caprica.
Episode one: The Enterprise meets up with the battlestar Galactica
Captain Kirk after meeting with Adama: "Oh CRAP!"
30 years after NEM; Captain Jane T. Kirk, great-great granddaughter of the infamous James T. Kirk, takes command of the new USS Enterprise NCC-1701 F. A mile long battle-starship with ten times the firepower of the old Enterprise E. We will call it "Battle-starship Enterprise". The remaining Romulans, who got pissed that Romulus exploded, team up with the Klingons and every other bad guy in the quadrant and wipe out the Federation. Using the top-secret Voyager logs of the Delta quadrant, the Enterprise leads whats left of humanity to find a new home. A shining planet called Caprica.
Episode one: The Enterprise meets up with the battlestar Galactica
Captain Kirk after meeting with Adama: "Oh CRAP!"
And Captain Kirk's first officer is played by Rachel Luttrell. She's a trill whose previous male host had an intimate relationship with the female Captain Kirk. I wouldn't change Luttrell's skin color a bit. It's perfect the way it is.
Episode two: The Enterprise discovers Babylon 5.
Kirk: "This is Captain Jane T. Kirk of the USS Enterprise NCC-1071-F"
Commander Sheridan: " Welcome to Babylon 5. What does the F stand for?"
Kirk: "The F stands for F You. Sulu open fire."
Episode two: The Enterprise discovers Babylon 5.
Kirk: "This is Captain Jane T. Kirk of the USS Enterprise NCC-1071-F"
Commander Sheridan: " Welcome to Babylon 5. What does the F stand for?"
Kirk: "The F stands for F You. Sulu open fire."
I think something more like NuBSG would work - with a wide cast of supporting semi-regular background characters and a lot more political intrigue focusing on Orion/Romulan/Klingon/Suliban espionage and/or terrorism. Khan would be found part way through the season and would take half a season to get to grips with Federation politics and takes his time to seduce McGyvers.
I think they would need to introduce more women but I wouldn't want them to change the sex of any established characters. Ann Mulhall was a great character who got very little air time so make her more regular. Transfer Chapel to life sciences (medical research, archaeology, paleobiology) so she only has to be an appendage of McCoy if they want her to fill that role for a particular story. Keep Rand as Kirk's yeoman but train her up as a kick-ass security trained bodyguard so Kirk doesn't get to keep all the fist-fighting and shirt-ripping to himself. Lets have a few more alien crewmen too, I'd certainly like to see Decker and Ilia.
I think they would need to introduce more women but I wouldn't want them to change the sex of any established characters. Ann Mulhall was a great character who got very little air time so make her more regular. Transfer Chapel to life sciences (medical research, archaeology, paleobiology) so she only has to be an appendage of McCoy if they want her to fill that role for a particular story. Keep Rand as Kirk's yeoman but train her up as a kick-ass security trained bodyguard so Kirk doesn't get to keep all the fist-fighting and shirt-ripping to himself. Lets have a few more alien crewmen too, I'd certainly like to see Decker and Ilia.
You know if TOS was made today they would probably use Air Force ranks instead of Navy ranks.
What makes you say that? In the new movie, they used the existing rank system. In fact, there is only one instance I can think of that they used Air Force type ranks, and that's Star Trek VI, with Colonel West. And that was only due to Nick Meyer's mistaken insistence that Starfleet was like the present day military.
Yes, but that was Abrams sticking to what had come before in TOS and the rest of Trek to be consistant. BUT if TOS had not been made until today, then the makers would probably notice the brach of the US military that is dealing with space is the Air Force not the Navy and that would likely affect things.
^ I'm not so sure about the Air Force thing. STAR TREK depicts a starship in an futuristic naval organization called Starfleet. And some air forces around the world, including the British, long ago incorporated some naval style into their ranks and organizations. (I believe that the RAF uses "Air Commodore" instead of Brigadier General.)
I did not know that
Just a couple of good ol'boys, never doing no harm.
But seriously, the Captans close friend and advisor who's from the South. A tad emotional.
I am sick to death of the New Battlestar Galactica! Just who the hell decided it was the end-all-be-all of science-fiction television anyway? Just because people curse every five minutes and make constant references to sex does not make it any more "mature" than the original Star Trek, in fact it detracts. You would never see Spock showing up to trials drunk like some kind of wino. It is that gritty+vulgar=intelligent writing mentality that will prove to be the undoing of that Stargate: Universe nonsense.
BSG could not be any more unlike Trek, it is the anti-Trek.
(Sorry for the rant, I had this pent up for some time. It feels good to let it out.)
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