Can we do away with the silliness of them adapting to everything and not even flinching no matter what you hit them with?
If the Borg show up in the JJverse big screen...
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Then you lose the drama of "oh no, our weapons don't work anymore!"
Energy shields that can be overpowered by concentrated fire or massive weapons.
If the Borg show up in the JJverse big screen ...
Kirk, Spock and the whole gang come up with a brilliant plan to destroy the entire collective, the
Queen(s), every last drone, all the cubes, and space stations, and any ground facilities.
And in the last scene of the movie all the Enterprise officers are assimilated. Crewperson no-name pushes the button and the Borg are no more, including the Enterprise officers.
End of the Abrams universe.
Roll credits.
Kirk, Spock and the whole gang come up with a brilliant plan to destroy the entire collective, the
Queen(s), every last drone, all the cubes, and space stations, and any ground facilities.
And in the last scene of the movie all the Enterprise officers are assimilated. Crewperson no-name pushes the button and the Borg are no more, including the Enterprise officers.
End of the Abrams universe.
Roll credits.
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First Contact?
Make them steampunk zombie horrors. Use CG to replace body parts with moving machinery. It could be awesome fun.
And they have to adapt. That's what makes them scary. They could make it more visual though - have actual new machinery grow on the drones to show them evolving to combat phasers or whatever.
And they have to adapt. That's what makes them scary. They could make it more visual though - have actual new machinery grow on the drones to show them evolving to combat phasers or whatever.
And while they are fighting, the Enterprise discovers the Bajoran wormhole, declares war on the Dominion and Cardassia, meets Q and contacts a lost Starfleet ship in the Delta Quadrant and basically has the same adventures that take place in the TNG era.
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I saw it so long ago i don't remember what happened in it.
Crucially for our purposes Starfleet do exactly what you propose, they overwhelm an adapted Borg cube with sheer weight of fire.
But they cannot do that to drones?
I imagine they could given enough phasers. It took an entire armada of ships emptying their payloads simultaneously into one single point of the cube's hull, a spot which Picard had identified as being a temporary weak spot, but they did do it.
That would look less silly.
The impression I come away with is shield adaptations, including the Borg ones, simply attune the shields to be particularly effective against a certain frequency/modulation/wavelength/shoesize of energy. That may be quite a broad spectrum or it may be tightly specific, but it's not about being immune to those weapons, just really efficient against them at certain common settings or those which were recently employed. The laws of thermodynamics would still apply though and even perfectly adapted shields can be overwhelmed.
Throwing starships filled with hundreds of people at a target for 3 solid days, racking up thousands of causalties, allowing time for a suicidal Worf to take a crew of other morons all the way from the Cardassian border just ahead of the Enterprise from the Romulan border just to try and ram it, doesn't make it look like Starfleet has the most sane, sound tactical plan either.
Unless losing literally an even bigger portion of the Starfleet, people and all, to the Cube than 359 in the name of maintaining utopia at all costs, is worth it to them.
What is tactically sound depends on the circumstances in play I guess. Letting that cube through would literally mean the end for Earth, the end for Starfleet, the end for the Federation and trillions of it's citizens. If they had nothing else available (y'know, other than a genius starship captain with inside knowledge of the enemy at the helm of an uber advanced ship
) then it might well be the best hand available to them to play.The key factors in making it work where the aforementioned knowledge and understanding that weakness could only be exploited if they let loose everything they had in one massive perfectly timed salvo. Any mistake, any significant watering down, holding back or hesitation and the chance would have been lost.
Works for me every time I catch the Borg messing around in my vegetable patch.
It would be a great way to have a “bad guy” that isn’t killed or frozen at the end. Something that isn’t neatly tied up that’s going to be out there for the foreseeable future. The Klingons could and probably should fill that roll but with Discovery featuring them heavily they might try something else
Worked didn't it?
Actually no, it didn't. If Picard hadn't had his 'still Borg inside' moment, the Cube would have slaughtered the ships Earth sadistically threw at the cube with no regard until it launched it's mission to the past and won.
They were just sending the fleet to it's death ship by ship, person by person until Reluctant of Borg shot at his ex.
It is possible that Starfleet would have an easier time fighting the Borg after the 2233 divergence, as they obviously have a higher level of technology (presumably based on scans of the Narada).
And, if you believe the comics, the Narada was based on Borg technology anyway, so that might also give Starfleet an advantage. Especially if they managed to recover enough debris.
And, if you believe the comics, the Narada was based on Borg technology anyway, so that might also give Starfleet an advantage. Especially if they managed to recover enough debris.
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