While you're certainly welcome to your opinion, this statement can't be true unless you have seen every character arc in the history of Hollywood. You haven't.
You may know a great many things however that ain't one of them.
If "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home" had been the last classic-era film
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You may know a great many things however that ain't one of them.
I know it's just an opinion and not fact-based for the reason cited: it's based on what you've seen, not everything every done in Hollywood.You may know a great many things however that ain't one of them.
LOL, that is pure supposition. It is not impossible to "have seen every character arc in Hollywood" therefore , by your own premise, you can't possibly claim to know I haven't.
Secondly, my statement was a grandiose yet ambiguous.
Thirdly, as for my estimation of Nimoy's Spock arc being an opinion: Of course it is opinion! Never said otherwise. Read terms of service. All postings here are defined to be the opinions of their respective authors, therefore, it is stipulated and does not need be expressly restated in anyone's postings. IOW,on that front, you are seeking to argue a non-issue.
Fourthly, you put forth the incorrect idea that opinions are somehow excluded from being "fact based." That is incorrect. "Opinions" are not "facts" however they absolutely can be "fact based." And it is not a requisite that one need see "all" of something to be deemed a fact.
Fifthly, name another character arc originating in and playing out over the course of Hollywood's history that has spanned approximately 50 years with the same actor playing the role?
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LOL, that's fine, I just found your compulsion to point out the possible use of hyperbole amusing therefore having fun with it. I mean I'm somewhat sure you're aware "hyperbole" does not inherently invalidate a statement or position therefore what was the point? Anyway, I hope you attained the validation you sought.
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Many people are saying they were surprised they kept making movies based on TOS after TNG started. I've read that the actors were concerned about this. At the time TNG started, when I was 12, I didn't see it that way. A new TOS movie coming out every two or three years was a fact of life for me because I was born in '75.
LOL, that is pure supposition. It is not impossible to "have seen every character arc in Hollywood" therefore , by your own premise, you can't possibly claim to know I haven't.
Secondly, my statement was a grandiose yet ambiguous.
Thirdly, as for my estimation of Nimoy's Spock arc being an opinion: Of course it is opinion! Never said otherwise. Read terms of service. All postings here are defined to be the opinions of their respective authors, therefore, it is stipulated and does not need be expressly restated in anyone's postings. IOW,on that front, you are seeking to argue a non-issue.
Fourthly, you put forth the incorrect idea that opinions are somehow excluded from being "fact based." That is incorrect. "Opinions" are not "facts" however they absolutely can be "fact based." And it is not a requisite that one need see "all" of something to be deemed a fact.
Fifthly, name another character arc originating in and playing out over the course of Hollywood's history that has spanned approximately 50 years with the same actor playing the role?
Jim Kirk. Approximately thirty ish, but he’s one cameo away from the top spot. Also ‘longest’ and ‘greatest’ are not really the same.
LOL, "I've read that the actors were concerned about this." is such a wonderful understatement! They (especially Shatner & Nimoy) were against TNG from the start. Even Deforest Kelly (though loyalty, gratefulness and class overrode all else and had him agree to do a cameo in the pilot). It took a few years before they [TOS actors] realized it was not a threat and started to embrace it for what it was - a new lease on life and relevancy.
Well, I've seen the James T. Kirk arc, therefore, if you are saying that is the complete set [TOS Kirk, TOS Spock] then that would be further evidence my statement was not hyperbole. Thank you for your support.
As to the relationship between "longest" and "greatest" that is a matter of context/usage. Many times longevity is considered a determining factor in designating "greatness."
TUC Satisfying? Barely. Barely in the sense that as long as everyone was able bodied I craved more. It was, however, an acceptable ride off into the sunset mainly because that was the focus of the P.R. campaign and we knew TNG was in the batter's box therefore the sense of loss was greatly muted.
You lost me there. How does a "tragedy" set up the audience to experience "the funniest" and[most "heart warming trek movie ever." Not trolling, seriously want to understand your idea.
I think these days I tend to view WOK, SFS, and TVH as the central cinematic Trek saga and in an odd way, TUC as the epilogue. You certainly can see story of the original series crew in IV as a fitting conclusion, having gone from being mature officers among young cadets, to Federation outlaws, to heroes finally return to the place they belong.
But there is something to be said for VI as the post script to that tale, being of a bit of bookend to II's dynamic of the old among the new to TUC where Kirk and company now effectively do pass the torch to the next generation and/or embrace their roles beyond the Enterprise. I guess for me, the Voyage Home is the conclusion for the characters where as Undiscovered Country is the conclusion to TOS itself, allowing that era, its central themes, and its performers to one final bow to the audience.
But there is something to be said for VI as the post script to that tale, being of a bit of bookend to II's dynamic of the old among the new to TUC where Kirk and company now effectively do pass the torch to the next generation and/or embrace their roles beyond the Enterprise. I guess for me, the Voyage Home is the conclusion for the characters where as Undiscovered Country is the conclusion to TOS itself, allowing that era, its central themes, and its performers to one final bow to the audience.
