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If "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home" had been the last classic-era film

It's weird to think that any one of the movies could have been the last one, yet most of them are decent potential final outings. Except for one of my favorites, TSFS. Can you imagine that movie as their last major adventure? Spock is alive, but everything has been left up in the air. There's a straightforward, familiar status quo at the end of TVH, that it doesn't seem like a novel or comic story would need to make major decisions about the next narrative step.

The ongoing comic series made a bold step of speculating on how the crew navigate their way back to a set-up that is somewhat recognizable, putting them on as the command crew of the Excelsior. Their tenure running the Excelsior through a shakedown cruise is a great window into what it might have looked like if the movies carried forward towards this, their originally intended trajectory. This has been very exciting to read through, yet I realized that the changes weren't that drastic; the adventures could easily have been transposed to one or the other of Kirk's Enterprises without much change.

But would a follow-up spin-off show which picks up from TSFS rather than TVH have been a good way to go? That would seem to be a little unsettling that the resolution to where Kirk's command crew are at the end of TSFS would manifest in a different medium.

It seems like it would be a lot more work to pick up the pieces for a new show. The ongoing comic series show them going through quite an extensive (7 to 8 part issue) storyline before we see a new status quo emerge.

It might have been interesting to see what the occasional novel tried to do with an undefined post-TSFS time period, if there was no TVH to "put things right" as it were.
 
1986: Star Trek seemed to be on a roll. A new movie had just come out, and a new TV show was on it's way. As we all know, the original cast would return to do two more films, one critically panned, the other seen as a landmark ending to the adventures of the classic Enterprise crew. But what if those other two films hadn't happened at all?

Say "Star Trek: The Next Generation" began production on season 2, and William Shatner approached Paramount to direct his own new Trek film, but the studio decided, "Y'know, Bill, that's nice and all, but they said it best in the third movie: Your day is over." And with that, the classic crew were never to be seen again after warping off to the final frontier in the brand-new Enterprise-A.

Would it have been a good ending? A fitting conclusion to the voyages of the Enterprise crew? In my opinion, yes, actually. Neither of the films that followed captured the same essence of what made the early four Star Trek motion pictures so, for lack of a better word, magical. You had the family reunion in TMP, then the Genesis Trilogy of films. Did we even need another two films? Let's see what you've got to say! :)
The scene in V, on the observation deck were Sybok tests the relationship of the classic trio at the end of their careers is on par with anything in movie Trek. The acting here is quite exceptional. And when Spock refuses to move on Sybok's invite, stands by his friend Kirk and finally mounts a challenge on Sybok - absolutely magic stuff.

TFF was a great, imaginative, unusual movie buried under a need for a couple of redrafts. I'm delighted it was made. That was better than the sentimental ending in TVH (although the Spock Sarek scenes are great too). It's just a pity that these observation deck scenes are wrapped around a film that was otherwise haphazard.
 
"Second star to the right and straight on 'til morning" works, too.
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It certainly beats "that a way". ;)
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TUC also makes a better finale than TVH (which I love) because it provides a sort of closure to the whole Federation/Klingon conflict that was simmering all through the TOS era, thus providing a callback to the Organians' prediction, way back in "Errand of Mercy," that one day the Federation and the Klingons would become allies.
 
"Second star to the right and straight on 'til morning" works, too.

It works, but more as a final ending and goodbye - the Star Trek IV ending leaves them all at the top of their game, galactic heroes, with a clean slate and future ahead of them, untold stories, adventures and happy endings still in play. The possibilities are endless.
 
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I just noticed for the first time, that the bond between Uhura and Scotty begins in the final scene of this movie, as she comforts him thinking they are getting that bucket 'o bults, Excelsior.... take that, TFF haters!!! ;)
 
TVH would certainly be a good way to end the TOS movie franchise. That said, it would have been a shame that the last TOS-movie would barely feature the Enterprise.
 
TVH would certainly be a good way to end the TOS movie franchise. That said, it would have been a shame that the last TOS-movie would barely feature the Enterprise.

On the fence about this one. The Voyage Home would have had to have altered it's ending somewhat. Not in a big way, but something that would bring a sense of closure. Then again, even The Undiscovered was weak in the area of providing a final chapter. The gold standard for me is till how TNG started and ended their syndication run. Encounter At Farpoint and All Good Things provided a context to the series and a satisfying sense of full circle that, to be honest, is the bar I hold all TV show finales to regardless of genre.
 
On the fence about this one. The Voyage Home would have had to have altered it's ending somewhat. Not in a big way, but something that would bring a sense of closure.

Maybe instead of dropping the charges, they could have all been found guilty, and the movie could have ended like Seinfeld with Kirk and crew sitting in jail. :beer:
 
TUC also makes a better finale than TVH (which I love) because it provides a sort of closure to the whole Federation/Klingon conflict that was simmering all through the TOS era, thus providing a callback to the Organians' prediction, way back in "Errand of Mercy," that one day the Federation and the Klingons would become allies.

Actually, I always thought that STV:TFF should have been what TUC ended up being: a political thriller with decades-long consequences. Shatner had all the right ingredients with the Federation, Klingon and Romulan ambassadors being held hostage, with a dramatic rescue attempt by the Enterprise crew. But instead it turned 180 degrees with a silly quest for God.
 
There is a narrative thread that passes through the first 4 Trek movies. The thread linking I with the others is the weakest, but it's still there, mostly in Spock's gradual loosening up of his personality after abandoning Kolinahr. But II-IV can very well be watched as a trilogy even though they were thought up on the fly (see the Star Wars movies to witness how fraught that approach is).

I knew when I watched the end of IV in the theaters that all of the remaining loose ends had been tied up and it would be hard to justify making another movie without it coming across as a glorified TV episode, and that's exactly what Star Trek V is. It's just wholly...unnecessary.

Because of them not getting Kirstie Alley back and having V stuck in the middle, Trek VI also feels a lot like a glorified TV episode. It reaches back to Trek III to justify Kirk's hatred of Klingons, but other than that it doesn't feel as though it was really setup from events in earlier films. It does, however, link to TNG, but that's a whole other ball of wax. Trek VI also felt a bit, how shall we say it, pandering in how it was marketed as a formal sendoff. With the other films, there was never any overt statement from Paramount to the fans that it would be the last TOS film, which I think allowed those stories to stand on their own rather than fanservice.

I also agree that at some point the TOS cast should have made the leap back to TV instead of (or prior to) TNG. The actors were really wasted being asked to come back every couple years rather than getting 2-3 seasons out of them. I know about Phase II as an alternative to TMP, but they could have very well jumped back to TV after either TMP or IV.
 
On the fence about this one. The Voyage Home would have had to have altered it's ending somewhat. Not in a big way, but something that would bring a sense of closure. Then again, even The Undiscovered was weak in the area of providing a final chapter. The gold standard for me is till how TNG started and ended their syndication run. Encounter At Farpoint and All Good Things provided a context to the series and a satisfying sense of full circle that, to be honest, is the bar I hold all TV show finales to regardless of genre.

It's a discussion for another area of the forum so I'll apologize to the mods for us going briefly off-topic ;) But to me, one of the things that makes "All Good Things..." such a gold standard for wrapping up a series is that its time travel premise invites us to see how far all of the characters have evolved in seven seasons, while giving us a sneak peak at where they'll be seven seasons into the future :D The character arcs within all three time zones are linked. Troi confessing to Picard in the past zone about her relationship to Riker reflects directly on the Troi/Worf/Riker triangle in the present, and Riker is still bitter in the future about her death and their not having reconciled. Another key scene, off the top of my head: Data in the past can't understand analogies ("burn the midnight oil" confuses him), but only a few scenes later, present Data then makes an offhand comment about how Q's relationship with Picard is like someone and their pet. He makes an analogy, and shows to us how far Data has come in seven years. As a piece of TV, as a piece of Star Trek, and as a TV finale, "All Good Things..." is simply perfectly crafted. :)
 
There is a narrative thread that passes through the first 4 Trek movies. The thread linking I with the others is the weakest, but it's still there, mostly in Spock's gradual loosening up of his personality after abandoning Kolinahr. But II-IV can very well be watched as a trilogy even though they were thought up on the fly (see the Star Wars movies to witness how fraught that approach is).

I agree, but with a slight modification. I believe saying "Spock's gradual loosening" does the arc a grand disservice. We actually witness a character [Mr. Spock] in turmoil who finally achieves balance and then go on to attain and employ wisdom. Over the course of TOS (where witness the war of his two halves) and the first 4 movies (we witness his ultimate reconciliation of those two halves) makes it the single greatest character arc in the history of Hollywood - surpassing even the writings of Shakespeare himself. It is the most epic and enduring facet of Star Trek (clearly my opinion). That is why I would be loathe to end the TOS run at Star Trek IV as in V and VI we get Mr. Spock in full flower.

I agree, MOS, that it was unintended but not an accident if I may sound like a fortune cookie for a moment. I believe what we got was in large part because of Leonard Nimoy's choices and approach to character creation. Even when not required externally he worked on the details and nuances on Spock. In doing so he made Mr. Spock the most magnetic and intriguing and oddly relatable character of the bunch. Because of Nimoy's work ethic andability his character probably was the most appealing to write for thereby making his character the unintended but not by accident through-line of TOS era (1966 to 1991). This, as an old-school Star Trek fan, still makes me feel giddy as several doctoral theses could be written on the evolution of Nimoy's Spock.
 
I believe what we got was in large part because of Leonard Nimoy's choices and approach to character creation.

You may be right there. There is definitely a remarkable consistency in Spock's portrayal that seems to suggest that directors (other than himself, of course) largely let him do his own thing.
 
...Over the course of TOS (where witness the war of his two halves) and the first 4 movies (we witness his ultimate reconciliation of those two halves) makes it the single greatest character arc in the history of Hollywood - surpassing even the writings of Shakespeare himself. It is the most epic and enduring facet of Star Trek (clearly my opinion).
While you're certainly welcome to your opinion, this statement can't be true unless you have seen every character arc in the history of Hollywood. You haven't. :D
 
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