THE BORG!!!" Not sure if you recognize the line, so let me refresh your memory, this is from the episode 'Q2' when Q is reprehending his son for dragging Voyager into a battle with the Borg to entertain himself. Now Q2 wasn't the best of episodes not for Q not for Voyager, but it's an episode and hence it's cannon right? This stupid line has bugged me for years, so here I am bugging you with this trivial piece of minutia. Why do you think Q was so upset with his son for messing with the Borg, could the Borg possibly pose some sort of thread to the Q? Was he worried about Voyager since we know he's more then capable of growing attached to a group of mortals despite putting up pretenses to the contrary? Do you think maybe the Continuum who fancy themselves the "Guardians of the Universe" find that interference with the Borg can have galactic repercussions, and so it's highly frowned upon? It was in fact after 'Q Who' that the Continuum made Q himself mortal, so maybe he was afraid messing with the Borg was a sure fire way for his son to get kicked out of the Continuum. What do you think?
"If I've told you once I've told you a thousand times DON'T PROVOKE
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Re: "If I've told you once I've told you a thousand times DON'T PROVOK
It's just tacky.
Like picking on a handicapped kid.
It's just tacky.
Like picking on a handicapped kid.
Re: "If I've told you once I've told you a thousand times DON'T PROVOK
If The Borg assimilated The Q. Game over.
If The Borg assimilated The Q. Game over.
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How?
When we think we see them, that's not really them.
It's a metaphor.
How?
When we think we see them, that's not really them.
It's a metaphor.
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The Collective having The Continuum's power could work.
ETA:
ADD: Maybe The Borg have some sort of Q kryptonite. LOL.
The Collective having The Continuum's power could work.
ETA:
ADD: Maybe The Borg have some sort of Q kryptonite. LOL.
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I think it's more of a case of Q having PTSD style flashbacks to when he lost his powers after screwing with the Borg (Q Who/Deja Q) as opposed to any concern about the collective being a threat to the Q.
Add that that, Q is a "Friend" of humanity (I use that term loosely), he does have an affinity for Picard to the point of subtly helping him when the continuum wanted to end humanity (All Good Things). Q2's reckless behaviour messing with humans and throwing the Borg in probably would have endangered earth down the line knowing Q2's attitude then and Q was just probably trying to subtly ensure the safety of humanity again, (ala AGT).
I think it's more of a case of Q having PTSD style flashbacks to when he lost his powers after screwing with the Borg (Q Who/Deja Q) as opposed to any concern about the collective being a threat to the Q.
Add that that, Q is a "Friend" of humanity (I use that term loosely), he does have an affinity for Picard to the point of subtly helping him when the continuum wanted to end humanity (All Good Things). Q2's reckless behaviour messing with humans and throwing the Borg in probably would have endangered earth down the line knowing Q2's attitude then and Q was just probably trying to subtly ensure the safety of humanity again, (ala AGT).
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Re: "If I've told you once I've told you a thousand times DON'T PROVOK
Can the Borg assimilate a Q?
I doubt it. In fact, I'd be much more afraid of what would happen if one of the Changelings/Founders got assimilated. Talk about game over!
As for the question posed by the OP:
Q was likely recalling that even though he was ultimately helping humanity and the Enterprise crew by introducing the Picard and crew to the Borg earlier than they would have met, Q likely also is well aware of what massive collateral damage the Borg are capable of. More importantly, Q is also probably being watched by the rest of the Q Continuum after all his hijinx -- being stripped of his powers, putting humanity on trial and losing, letting Vash tag along with him through the cosmos as his companion, again, losing the trial to prevent Q2 from becoming human and then assisting him with his suicide, the Q civil war, and now having to raise his son - the first Q to be "born."
Do you honestly think the Continuum would just stand by and let Q let that kid run amok?
Can the Borg assimilate a Q?
I doubt it. In fact, I'd be much more afraid of what would happen if one of the Changelings/Founders got assimilated. Talk about game over!
As for the question posed by the OP:
Q was likely recalling that even though he was ultimately helping humanity and the Enterprise crew by introducing the Picard and crew to the Borg earlier than they would have met, Q likely also is well aware of what massive collateral damage the Borg are capable of. More importantly, Q is also probably being watched by the rest of the Q Continuum after all his hijinx -- being stripped of his powers, putting humanity on trial and losing, letting Vash tag along with him through the cosmos as his companion, again, losing the trial to prevent Q2 from becoming human and then assisting him with his suicide, the Q civil war, and now having to raise his son - the first Q to be "born."
Do you honestly think the Continuum would just stand by and let Q let that kid run amok?
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He's the chosen one.
The golden child.
The saviour.
Sorta like what's been happening in North Korea for a while now.
He's the chosen one.
The golden child.
The saviour.
Sorta like what's been happening in North Korea for a while now.
Re: "If I've told you once I've told you a thousand times DON'T PROVOK
Janeway likes provocative men. Maybe Q knew this when he dumped his bratty boy on her. Maybe he hoped she would be all.. wow I really missed the boat with Q, look how the fruit of his finger is provoking us all I bet his daddy is kick ass provocative.
Q thinks he is playing chess when really he is like one of those dumb people who think removing the tax cards from monopoly will make them win.
Janeway likes provocative men. Maybe Q knew this when he dumped his bratty boy on her. Maybe he hoped she would be all.. wow I really missed the boat with Q, look how the fruit of his finger is provoking us all I bet his daddy is kick ass provocative.
Q thinks he is playing chess when really he is like one of those dumb people who think removing the tax cards from monopoly will make them win.
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The Q always struck me as sort of being the guardians of the galaxy. They watch all of the lesser beings and keep tabs on galactic events but don't tend to interfere, our Q being the exception. Q knows that provoking the Borg will have dire consequences throughout the quadrants. If you follow the Trek post series literature I think they did a good job with the Borg and dealing with the consequences of pissing them off.
The Q always struck me as sort of being the guardians of the galaxy. They watch all of the lesser beings and keep tabs on galactic events but don't tend to interfere, our Q being the exception. Q knows that provoking the Borg will have dire consequences throughout the quadrants. If you follow the Trek post series literature I think they did a good job with the Borg and dealing with the consequences of pissing them off.
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Actually I got the impression that the Q, as a race, don't really care about anything at all anymore - not even themselves. Look at how bored they all were in "Death Wish". There's literally nothing left for them to do.
It was only deLancie's Q who actually cared enough to interfere with anything.
As for his line about provoking the Borg: I don't understand it. Any Q could snap its fingers and wipe out the entire Borg race with hardly an effort. So why would they care about provoking an enemy they can so easily wipe out?
Actually I got the impression that the Q, as a race, don't really care about anything at all anymore - not even themselves. Look at how bored they all were in "Death Wish". There's literally nothing left for them to do.
It was only deLancie's Q who actually cared enough to interfere with anything.
As for his line about provoking the Borg: I don't understand it. Any Q could snap its fingers and wipe out the entire Borg race with hardly an effort. So why would they care about provoking an enemy they can so easily wipe out?
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I can see that too. But I still think of them as galactic observers. They may be bored now though having seen and done it all. I get the impression that they have, or had, a noninterference directive like the Federation. So when Q goes and mucks things up their indifference gets tested, which isn't a bad thing, as it seems like Q is trying to spice up the continuum with his antics.
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They would be bored if they can see an infinite spectrum of mirror multiverses from beginning to end since the moment they came into existence 5 billion years ago.
They would be bored if they can see an infinite spectrum of mirror multiverses from beginning to end since the moment they came into existence 5 billion years ago.
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Because they have laws about not wiping species out? So it would be kicking a galaxy size beehive and not being allowed to exterminate the result.
Because they have laws about not wiping species out? So it would be kicking a galaxy size beehive and not being allowed to exterminate the result.
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The Q don't seem to have laws, as we understand it. They disciplined deLancie Q for certain infractions, but the Q as a race probably don't have ethics or a Prime Directive as such.
Remember what I said, though - the Q, as such, don't seem to care about ANYTHING at all. They are apathetic and dull, to an extreme. It's only deLancie who really cares about the 'lesser' races. And that Q, or Q Jr., could quite easily wipe out the Borg with a thought. So I still don't understand why he would care if they were provoked.
About the only thing I can think of is that deLancie was engaging in a bit of hyperbole for his son's benefit.
The Q don't seem to have laws, as we understand it. They disciplined deLancie Q for certain infractions, but the Q as a race probably don't have ethics or a Prime Directive as such.
Remember what I said, though - the Q, as such, don't seem to care about ANYTHING at all. They are apathetic and dull, to an extreme. It's only deLancie who really cares about the 'lesser' races. And that Q, or Q Jr., could quite easily wipe out the Borg with a thought. So I still don't understand why he would care if they were provoked.
About the only thing I can think of is that deLancie was engaging in a bit of hyperbole for his son's benefit.
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Perhaps Q keeps track of goings on with the Collective by virtue of a personal connection with the Queen, dropping in to chat her up every so often. Trelane-type shenanigans by Junior might make that relationship a bit prickly.
Perhaps Q keeps track of goings on with the Collective by virtue of a personal connection with the Queen, dropping in to chat her up every so often. Trelane-type shenanigans by Junior might make that relationship a bit prickly.
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Oh darn! I got the quote wrong, oh wells I was going entirely from memory and it has been a while since I've seen that episode. T_T
Oh they'd love that, in a way I think the Q is what the Borg fantasize about being, isn't their life's mission to assimilate all knowledge in order to know everything?
Sounds legit.....From now on this will be the case inside my own personal 'mind-cannon'.
I'm somewhere in the middle of all the opinions I've seen. I think the Q have become so apathetic that they barely care about anything at all, but perhaps at sometime they did take their self appointed responsibility as guardians of the universe, the multiverse, the galaxy or what have you, seriously. As a result maybe because it's tradition the status quo see it fit to get involved if something can have significant interstellar consequences. I also think that Q was probably protecting his son from the wrath of the Continuum more so then the Borg, at the same time wanting to protect Voyager from the Borg, since he loves to root for humanity, he would know that the knowledge Voyager could bring back to the Federation would be invaluable. The Borg for their part would probably quadruple it's interest in Voyager if they though Voyager was so darn interesting to the Q. If there's lit out there about what happen when the Borg get pissed I'd love to read it.
What could a Q possibly talk to the Borg Queen about?
Borg Queen: Resistance is futile you will eventually be assimilated and then we will attain perfection, we are the Borg.
Random Q: Oh come off it Queeny, I'll give you credit for being able to say that with a straight face, you and I both know you don't even believe that pipe dream yourself! Still so long as we're on the subject of 'resistance is futile' don't you people ever get tired of that dull overused line? Why not "Resistance is a waste of time' or 'Resistance is stupid' or hows about 'Hello there we're looking for some fine folks to assimilate and we were wondering if we can get some volunteers by any chance.' You know you might be surprised...
Oh darn! I got the quote wrong, oh wells I was going entirely from memory and it has been a while since I've seen that episode. T_T
If The Borg assimilated The Q. Game over.
Oh they'd love that, in a way I think the Q is what the Borg fantasize about being, isn't their life's mission to assimilate all knowledge in order to know everything?
Sounds legit.....From now on this will be the case inside my own personal 'mind-cannon'.
I'm somewhere in the middle of all the opinions I've seen. I think the Q have become so apathetic that they barely care about anything at all, but perhaps at sometime they did take their self appointed responsibility as guardians of the universe, the multiverse, the galaxy or what have you, seriously. As a result maybe because it's tradition the status quo see it fit to get involved if something can have significant interstellar consequences. I also think that Q was probably protecting his son from the wrath of the Continuum more so then the Borg, at the same time wanting to protect Voyager from the Borg, since he loves to root for humanity, he would know that the knowledge Voyager could bring back to the Federation would be invaluable. The Borg for their part would probably quadruple it's interest in Voyager if they though Voyager was so darn interesting to the Q. If there's lit out there about what happen when the Borg get pissed I'd love to read it.
Perhaps Q keeps track of goings on with the Collective by virtue of a personal connection with the Queen, dropping in to chat her up every so often. Trelane-type shenanigans by Junior might make that relationship a bit prickly.
What could a Q possibly talk to the Borg Queen about?
Borg Queen: Resistance is futile you will eventually be assimilated and then we will attain perfection, we are the Borg.
Random Q: Oh come off it Queeny, I'll give you credit for being able to say that with a straight face, you and I both know you don't even believe that pipe dream yourself! Still so long as we're on the subject of 'resistance is futile' don't you people ever get tired of that dull overused line? Why not "Resistance is a waste of time' or 'Resistance is stupid' or hows about 'Hello there we're looking for some fine folks to assimilate and we were wondering if we can get some volunteers by any chance.' You know you might be surprised...
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Well, she could be a rather engaging conversationalist when it suited her. A man of the universe might find some of her remembrances of races gone by interesting, if he didn't mind the creepy undertones she often sprinkled in the mix.
What could a Q possibly talk to the Borg Queen about?
Well, she could be a rather engaging conversationalist when it suited her. A man of the universe might find some of her remembrances of races gone by interesting, if he didn't mind the creepy undertones she often sprinkled in the mix.
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