Icheb

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  1. Athena28

    Athena28 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    If he gave his cortical node to Seven what components did he have that Bjayzl wanted? I don’t recall seeing any others while he was on Voyager.
     
  2. The Wormhole

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    There's Borg components spread all throughout his body, all of which are some value to Bjayzl.
     
  3. Burning Hearts of Qo'nOs

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    I think the point was that she was looking for a cortical node that Icheb did not have, to punctuate the tragedy because Icheb had given his cortical node to Seven. The mad scientist doctor was specifically hunting around his face for it but didn't find it, IIRC.
     
  4. locborg

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    Icheb is not dead!
     
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  5. hbquikcomjamesl

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    Neither is Elvis; he just went home.
     
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    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    He's not dead, so long as we remember him...screaming in agony as his eyeball was ripped from its socket.
     
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  7. fireproof78

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    Pepperidge Farm remembers.
     
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  8. XCV330

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    It was an excuse to ramp up the violence. That scene sits less well with me the more time passes between my first and only viewing of it.
     
  9. hbquikcomjamesl

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    Like the "eye-scream" invocation in Never Say Never Again (a SPECTRE agent being surgically altered to pass an eyeprint scan -- like there wasn't an easier way?), and the Borg assimilation nightmare/flashback in FC, it was a case of a gratuitous gross-out.

    (I always preferred the Moore and Dalton versions of Bond over the Connery version anyway [my best friend once claimed to prefer the Lazenby version!], and that ruined the whole movie for me!)
     
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  10. XCV330

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    I like NSNA better than Thunderball. Same story, better pacing. Also, the Yamaha bike is one of my favorite Bond vehicles. But the music is awful. It's 80's dentist office waiting room awful. It has one of the best casts I think a Bond film ever put together. I also prefer Dalton to the rest, though Lazenby was very good in his single outing.

    Connery's take at the role seemed to vary, greatly.. He's at his best in FRWL simply fantastic. He's bored by Thunderball. He's sleepwalking in DAF. But he's a very good, different kind of Bond by NSNA. I would have loved to have seen him in movies based on the Gardner books.
     
  11. The Old Mixer

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    Being an old Bond fan, I'm willing to allow enough thread drift to say: Never Say Never Again wasn't a real Bond film!

    Lennon Remembers...just replace all the references to "Paul" with "Icheb".
     
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  12. hbquikcomjamesl

    hbquikcomjamesl Commodore Commodore

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    More like ramping up the vileness.:lol:
    Are there actually ST fans who like being grossed out?
     
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  13. XCV330

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    Oh that goes back at least to Ceti Alpha 5’s last indigenous life form...
     
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  14. fireproof78

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    Like it? Appreciate it in context of story? Yes. Looking at you TWOK.
     
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    I think it served the purpose of showing exactly why Seven would be so determined get revenge on Bjazyl. What she did to Icheb was that horrific. And it wasn't told to us. We got to see it.

    This is the one time people go in the opposite direction of, "Yeah, but they didn't show us!"

    "Be careful what you wish for. You may get it."
     
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  16. fireproof78

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    Exactly. If nothing else it was design to engender sympathy with Seven of Nine's motives and pain for Bjazyl's betrayal. I mean, it's just like Worf killing Duras or Weyoun.
     
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    FWIW, Jonathan Frakes directed both "Stardust City Rag" AND FC.
     
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    Perhaps, but I would tend to blame the writer, rather than the director.
     
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    It’s amazing how infamous this scene has become.

    I don’t think it bothered me one bit, neither because of the gore nor because of the legacy character death.

    :shrug:
     
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    He's alive in the Renegades universe!:ouch: