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I think my girlfriend is a Christian! Advice needed.

The concept of a Christian wrestling show is genius and I can't wait to hear more about it!

I'm surprised so many of you are showing an interest.

First some background: I've been a wrestling fan all my life since I was born. I always wanted to be a wrestler and started training in my spare time a few years ago. I did very well, learned fast, could have made it as a pro I feel...but the problme is I was only doing it partime. I had various other jobs over the time period and a pretty crzy life with lots of other commitments. I remember one day one of my trainers sat me down and sadly told me I'd never make it in the wrestling business. I asked if it was because I couldn't commit fulltime and he said it was. He advised me to get an education (I'd like to say this is what inspired me to go to community college but I actually wasn't thinking about it at all when I enrolled) as I'd never make it in the wrestling world (due to my other commitments I knew.)

Even though I respcted him, I thought I could still do it. I showed up at shows promoters I knew were running, but I was only ever booked as a referee on them. This was probably mostly because I couldn't compete fulltime and wouldn't be able to make all the shows: if the fans so me wrestle on one show and grew to love me, they'd be disappointed when I wasn't on the next show. That could be bad for business. So I understood it. I didn't like it but I understood it.

Beau was a guy who trained with me. I didn't even know at the time he was a Christian (going back to the theme of this thread, it's hard to tell.) Then I found out he was involved in Christian wrestling shows. They've been around for a while, even big stars like Sting and Lex Luger (not Luthor lol) have been involved. I always thought they sounded a bit lame, but I atteneded one of Beau's shows once. They told the story of the bible using the medium of wrestling. It was actually pretty spectcular. The two guys playing Caine and Able were particularly good and could have even made it in a proper wrestling company. Beu even played Jesus at one point and dived off a crucifix onto a bunch of security guards dressed as Romans. It was spectacular. This was, of course, back before I was an atheist and I didn't mind the blatant propuganda. If I went to a Christian wrestling show today I'd walk out before they'd even finished acting out Genesis.

Anyway, I still haven't finished that letter. It got harder and harder to write the more I wrote. I didn't want to keep refering back to arguments Dawkings had made, I wanted to articulate my feelings in my own words. It's hard. I found I had to keep explaining certain things that had happened in my life to show how I'd come to the conclusions I'd come to and I didn't want to tell her everything about me. Plus the letter was ten pages long by now and I wasn't gong to read that out in front of her! I might be in a good shape but even I couldn't keep talking that long. So I deleted the whole thing. I need a new approach.
 
Dude, MB, you are treating your newly found atheism with more fervor and devotion than many Christians.

Aren't you basically treating atheism as a form of religion in and of itself?
 
First some background: I've been a wrestling fan all my life since I was born. I always wanted to be a wrestler and started training in my spare time a few years ago.

Needless background exposition makes Trekker angry!

I did very well, learned fast, could have made it as a pro I feel...but the problme is I was only doing it partime.

Those threads are gone but I recall your dabbling in pro-wrestling not exactly being fantastic, you vomiting and pissing blood actually comes to mind.

I had various other jobs over the time period and a pretty crzy life with lots of other commitments. I remember one day one of my trainers sat me down and sadly told me I'd never make it in the wrestling business.

He then only offered you half of the take you were promised for the match, told you were lucky to get that much and sent you on your way, right? Then a man robbed him, ran by you on his way out and you did nothing to stop him. Right?


I asked if it was because I couldn't commit fulltime and he said it was. He advised me to get an education (I'd like to say this is what inspired me to go to community college but I actually wasn't thinking about it at all when I enrolled) as I'd never make it in the wrestling world (due to my other commitments I knew.)

Go on and believe that. This trainer wanted you to get an education and "do something" with your life rather than spend it making him rich off your pissing blood at the end of every match for entertainment purposes.

Even though I respcted him, I thought I could still do it. I showed up at shows promoters I knew were running, but I was only ever booked as a referee on them. This was probably mostly because I couldn't compete fulltime and wouldn't be able to make all the shows: if the fans so me wrestle on one show and grew to love me, they'd be disappointed when I wasn't on the next show. That could be bad for business. So I understood it. I didn't like it but I understood it.

So, here's the question: If you were so good at this wrestling gig and so promising at it and potentially could have gotten rich off of it why didn't you do it?! You could have set aside your.... Well, your... What was stopping you again? What commitments did you have? Scamming your aunt out of her money? Fucking your cousin? Being a "parent" to someone else's kids while having orgies in their living room? Drop your education, drop this Christian Chick get back in that octagonal ring and get to fighting, man! If you're truly good at it you should pursue and stop making excuses to not do it!

Beau was a guy who trained with me. I didn't even know at the time he was a Christian (going back to the theme of this thread, it's hard to tell.) Then I found out he was involved in Christian wrestling shows.

I have a feeling Christian wrestling shows are a lot like Christian "rock." It's pleasing to listen too and overall... alright, but the imagery and symbolism is hard to get past. I mean a cross-shaped ring is hardly as much fun as an octagon.


I always thought they sounded a bit lame, but I atteneded one of Beau's shows once. They told the story of the bible using the medium of wrestling. It was actually pretty spectcular.

That... that actually does sound spectacular.... :wtf:

The two guys playing Caine and Able were particularly good and could have even made it in a proper wrestling company. Beu even played Jesus at one point and dived off a crucifix onto a bunch of security guards dressed as Romans. It was spectacular.

Wait. Is this Christian Wrestling to the Bible what Star Trek '09 is to Star Trek? Are they rebooting it and de-canonizing things for the sake of making things more interesting and edgier for younger audiences?

This was, of course, back before I was an atheist and I didn't mind the blatant propuganda. If I went to a Christian wrestling show today I'd walk out before they'd even finished acting out Genesis.

They act-out the entire Bible? Huh.

Anyway, I still haven't finished that letter. It got harder and harder to write the more I wrote.

It's like poetry.

I didn't want to keep refering back to arguments Dawkings had made, I wanted to articulate my feelings in my own words. It's hard. I found I had to keep explaining certain things that had happened in my life to show how I'd come to the conclusions I'd come to and I didn't want to tell her everything about me.

Dude, you need to open up to her more, I mean don't hold anything back as that will always be between you to.

Plus the letter was ten pages long by now...

FRONT AND BACK!

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLDCb4c1sSE[/yt]

I might be in a good shape but even I couldn't keep talking that long. So I deleted the whole thing. I need a new approach.

Twitter. Use Twitter.
 
There's something better than duct tape? :wtf:

Yeah, exactly! It's the handyman's secret weapon! :scream:

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhSqvycZZ0c[/yt]

Thanks. More than I ever wanted to know about duct tape.:lol:

But I use softener! I empty the lint trap! THE LINT TRAP!

Wow, RJH, we're really proud of you!

Aren't you basically treating atheism as a form of religion in and of itself?

Bingo!
 
^Oops, sorry. I was just so overwhelmed by the duct tape video that you were still on my mind. ;) I went back and corrected it.
 
If MadBaggins really wants to know the way to a woman's heart, he should start posting more coherent threads that aren't so easy to make fun of. If he learned to do that, half the women on these boards would fuck him and enjoy it. :)

Surprising response after MadBaggins changes posting style. Film at 11.
But, what about our need for mockery and ridicule?
What part of 'film at 11' don't you understand? (and that can be taken two ways :D )
 
Things have taken a turn for the worse over the last week. I can't believe it was just eight days ago that we spent the whole day together and everything felt special and amazing. It feels like a year ago. Or more than a year. Or a year but a really long year.

I grew increasingly frustrated at my girl friend (yes, have to use the spacebar again!) because I thought she was trying to avoid me. First there was the incident with her being "ill" which I began to doubt when I realized that her friend who told me doesn't like me much. A couple of months ago I was looking at her in class trying to figure out if she was good looking when she said, in front of everyne, "excuse me, do we know each other? No? Stop staring at me then." Maybe I had looked for a bit too long (I hadn't thought I was making it obvious) but I certainly wasn't staring. So when she wasn't in college AGAIN the next time I didn't want to go to that girl again. So I went to her other friend, one who has no reason to dislike me.

This time, after some probing, she told me that my girl friend was away because her disabled brother was having some problems. I said I didn't know she had a disabled brother and the friend said maybe I should have found these things out for myself. How was I supposed to do that? I hadn't seen any disabled brother at her home when I'd visited the week before. Granted, I'd went up the stairs fast and then had left again after her dad invited me to stay as quickly as humanly possible, but I'd seen absolutely no evidence of him. They didn't seem the type of family to hide a disabled son away either. But it seemed like a really tasteless thing to make up, so I had to assumed it was true. So why didn't my girl friend just tell me about this? We'd spent ALOT of time together. Perhaps we weren't as close as I'd thought.

She was in class on Friday but there was some gang-related violence on campus and that distracted everyone and was the main topic of conversation all day (turns out one guy got stabbed in the thigh by a pair of scissors.) Even so, I could feel a vast gaping chasm of distance between me and my girl friend. Finally at the end of the day I asked if she needed me at the church again but she said she was too busy. I asked what with and she said "family stuff" but nothing more. Why was she being like this? I said maybe we could spend Saturday together again but she said no. I said "come on, your family will be fine!" She said she didn't have time for this and she'd talk to me when everything was okay. I thought she was just blowing me off.

I spent most of Saturday thinking about her. What had happened? Has she discovered my atheism? I had talked about it with a few of my new friends at college. I didn't see why any of them would have told her, but I don't know them as well as my real friends, so who knows? I'd visited an atheist website at college once too. Maybe she'd went on the computer afterwards and checked the history? That would be ironic considering what I did in her bedroom.

I hardly slept last night. I just wanted to know where I stood with her once and for all. The thought came to me that Christians go to church on a Sunday and that if she was one, she'd be there. So I'd call her and if she didn't answer, I'd know why. Or if she did answer and I could hear church singing in the background, I'd know she was at church. But I didn't know what time people went to church at. I thought it was really early (it seems that way on The Simpsons) so I called her just after 6:15 am. Remember, I hadn't slept and wasn't thinking straight. I'd wanted to call even earlier but had managed to wait until 6:15. She sounded tried when she answered. She asked why the fuck (I briefly thought "she can't be a Christian!" due to the swearing but then rememebered Beau swears all the time) I'd called so early. This is pretty much how the conversation went from there. Please remember that I was tired and emotional and didn't handle myself well.

Me: Sorry, it's just that I've been thinking about you a lot but haven't been able to talk to you lately.
Her: I've had things going on, sorry, but there's more important stuff in my life than you.
Me: That makes me feel bad. Look, I just want to talk to you properly.
Her: I'll see you next week.
Me: No, NOW. Can't we meet today? We're both up, how about we meet in a couple of hours?
Her: No, it's Sunday, I have to go to church.
Me: Because you're a Christian?
Her: Uhh, yeah? My family go every week.
Me: I'M AN ATHEIST. Sorry for shouting, but I had to get that out there at last. It felt good.
Her(long pause): Don't call me again.

Then the phonecall ended.

Well, turns out I was right all along. She hung up right after I finally told her I'm an athiest. Proof that she never could have accepted it and things never could have worked between us. I felt bad about the way things had gone down, but somewhat vindicated in my beliefs.

College is going to be awkward now.
 
Uhm, i dont quite think your atheism was the issue. I rather think she found this thread...

Or she was just pissed that you called her at such an ungodly hour. (Yes that was intentional.)
 
This is MB we're talking about. Drama was inevitable.

That being said, bravo MB! Way to take a perfectly normal and understandable and non-controversial situation and flush it down the toilet. I tip my drama hat to you.
 
These sagas are always so much mroe entertaining once the shit hits the fan.
Uhm, i dont quite think your atheism was the issue. I rather think she found this thread...
I hope not.... I think that might have been a plot point from a previous season.
 
The words "self-fulfilling prophecy" come to mind.

I could also see it ending this way.
Me: I WENT THROUGH YOUR COMPUTER. Sorry for shouting, but I had to get that out there at last. It felt good.
Her(long pause): Don't call me again.

Then the phonecall ended.
 
Can we talk about the gang violence at your school. That seems like it could make for interesting, The Wire-esque turn. Maybe MadBaggins could get his own corner.
 
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