He was actually pretty darn good as Nick Fury.Can we de-canonize David Hasselhoff?
I think DSC and PIC would've received a better reception had SNW come first...
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Remove the production values and just judging him at face value, he really wasn't bad at all.
"Discovery" would have been infinitely better received it it hadn't begun as a prequel. If they'd started the show in a post-Federation setting, and introduced Michael Burnham as her own character with no relation to Spock, it would've been a lot better.
Then you lose "Lethe", probably my favourite episode of season 1 and don't get the stellar introduction of Pike and Spock in season 2.
I'm happy with how they did it.
I disagree with OP.
Discovery sucked after the second season (actually, the suck started around the end of season 2). Picard has had moments of true greatness only to be severely squandered away (mostly in season 2, and season 1 less so).
These shows, as they are, would've sucked whether they came before or after SNW. You would still have fanboys defending the suckage, however, and telling critical fans how dumb they are simply because it's Trek and they can't be objective.
Discovery sucked after the second season (actually, the suck started around the end of season 2). Picard has had moments of true greatness only to be severely squandered away (mostly in season 2, and season 1 less so).
These shows, as they are, would've sucked whether they came before or after SNW. You would still have fanboys defending the suckage, however, and telling critical fans how dumb they are simply because it's Trek and they can't be objective.
Klingons are known for re writing their history, watch 'DS9 You are cordially invited' when Jadzia is telling the 'history' of Lady Sirella's (Martok's wife) family
"Lethe" is truly the only episode that makes the whole Burnham being Spock's sister mean anything because we finally get why there was such a rift between Sarek and Spock. 50 years and we finally get an answer to that question.
And Pike really was the best part of season 2.
Pretty human of them, isn't it? I love studying ancient Egyptian history and one thing that was very common was not recording losses and working very hard to erase people from history by destroying their names off the records and replacing them with other, more favored people.
Pike, Spock and Vina all surprised me.
Overall, I like Season 2 because it gave me some extremely strong character moments. Unfortunately, as much as I enjoy the plot, it lacked and the whole going to the future thing annoyed me to no end.
None of us are objective, and enjoyment of a series is highly subjective. People declare TNG as the greatest of all time. I don't see it that way. Who is more objective?
I think DSC struggled but I can still find enjoyment in it, despite the "suckage" as you put it.
Ancient Rome had a similar concept called "Damnatio Memoriae":
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae
Unsavory people (tyrants, despots, lowlifes, etc.) were officially erased from the historical record.
This is false. I don't automatically like DSC just because it's Star Trek.
For the record, I've dropped three Star Trek shows during their run: VOY, ENT, and LD. I have the ability to turn it off, unlike most of you. I've also been very openly critical of the TNG Movies and am not a fan of the Kelvin Films. I can be objective. I just don't have the same tastes as yours.
And while I like SNW, it's overrated as Hell. I don't even post in the forum because of how thick most people lay it on over there. No, it's not the best thing since sliced bread and saying it (or heavily implying it) 1,000 times doesn't make it any more true.
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I'll meet you half-way. As you know, I think DSC works better in the 32nd Century. But I also think central to its premise is that Discovery comes from a time before The Burn. I didn't say 23rd Century. Just before The Burn. If Discovery came from the 25th Century or from a time that was Post-TUC/Pre-TNG (like when I initially thought the series was going to take place), it still gets the same point across: A ship and crew from before The Burn helps the Federation to rebuild after it lost its way.
That definitely works for me. Start the whole show off with that story from the beginning. Just don't start off as another prequel.
Same. I've dropped multiple Trek shows, including TNG and Prodigy. Liking a show because "Star Trek" is one of the higher points of nonsensical to me.
No no no, you're supposed to fight about it in a bizarre nerdy microcosm of religious warfare
Definitely not with me.
It needed DISC and especially PIC for me to be so desperate for something a little bit more cheerful that I even welcomed a 23rd century prequel with open arms
It needed DISC and especially PIC for me to be so desperate for something a little bit more cheerful that I even welcomed a 23rd century prequel with open arms
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