You know other people are going to make that complaint. It's only a matter of time.
Hmm, somehow I don't think Chris Hemsworth is going to be as easy to secure for the movie as he was in Trek XI. The guy has since had a Marvel-lous career.
I swear that's an NX class they're flying in the new trailer!
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Yes, haters will find anything to complain about. Even minuscule dumb shit like that.
How about instead of "Haters" we go with the more politically correct "Negative Opinion Holders?"
You can always recast. Don't blow the budget on an actor that was only seen for ten minutes in the first film.
You can use whatever term lets you sleep better at night. I'm pretty sure I'm not going to get any anti-defamation lawsuits thrown my way by using the term "haters" to describe obsessed Trek trufans.
At least you recognize they are the True Fans.
So true...
I said this in the other Franklin/NX thread but gonna repeat it here: I wouldn't be surprised if the Franklin is supposed to be an NX-class, in a very loose X-Men movieverse continuity kind of way. Like they took the NX-class and adapted it for their version of Trek, in the same way every Batmobile looks different but they're all meant to be the same thing.
(And yes, we saw the model on Marcus' desk in ID, but that could just be an easter egg they then ignore, like X-Men 2's tiny Hank McCoy cameo)
(And yes, we saw the model on Marcus' desk in ID, but that could just be an easter egg they then ignore, like X-Men 2's tiny Hank McCoy cameo)
Except we saw the NX as it was already in the last movie, so it's still there as it always was complete with NX-01 on the model.
The Franklin, despite being antique to the 2263 crew, is still closer to the Kelvin's era. I don't know why this has to be the 6th time pointing it out but there you go.
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The Franklin, despite being antique to the 2263 crew, is still closer to the Kelvin's era. I don't know why this has to be the 6th time pointing it out but there you go.
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Even from the trailer, she has a lot in common with the Kelvin era of technology and colouration, her nacelles are very similar in design to this Enterprise, her jackets fit surprisingly well with the current uniforms and have the 3 colour department scheme (the Kelvin did not at that point...) and she has warp drive new enough to cross the distances needed with apparent ease.
That puts her a lot closer to the 2240's rather than anything even around 2200.
That puts her a lot closer to the 2240's rather than anything even around 2200.
Remember that an NX class ship doesn't have to look like the NX-01. The Defiant from DS9 was an NX.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/NX
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/NX
One wonders. A three-color scheme is evident in all Trek eras, even if bridge teams don't always feature all three colors. And didn't the Kelvin Chief Engineer wear rather bright green, rather than blue or tan? Or was that just a trick of the lighting?
What the Kelvin did not have is the blue-red-yellow scheme the Franklin apparently sports, though. Although there are several such schemes from different eras, and Spock might be donning what used to be a Command jacket in blue from the 2190s or whatnot...
As for NX, in the UFP Starfleet that is heavily suggested to mean experimental or prototype. Back in the days of the UE Starfleet, it probably meant eXplorer instead, and was a genuine type designation akin to today's naval pennant codes. At least the 2150s is the only era when the term "NX class" is in use.
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The Defiant (as well as the Excelsior before getting an NCC before her and the Prometheus after) had an NX registry but that doesn't make her an NX Class as that was the Enterprise NX-01 and Columbia NX-01, the Defiant is a Defiant Class with an eXperimental registry number just as the NX-2000 Excelsior until she was no longer and experimental ship.
The main difference between the Defiant and Excelsior being that even though the Defiant Class went into some sort of production the original ship retained the NX registry instead of it being swapped to an NCC. You could suppose the original ship was still considered an experiment, real world reasoning being so they didn't have to update the model even if they did alter the CGI version for the Valiant. To be honest though we haven't seen enough "first ship of the class" over the years as the Excelsior, Defiant and Prometheus are the only three that spring to mind (not including Enterprise as Columbia made it clear all ships of that type would be labelled NX).
You could be right as both ST09 and The Cage / Where No Man Has Gone Before show that between Enterprise and TOS the three colour system went down to a two colour and then back again.
Obviously we might find out information on when this ship vanished with a line of dialog saying "The Franklin, didn't this ship vanish 6 years ago?" for example.
To me she definitely looks older than the Enterprise, how much older is up in the air though as we have seen Starfleet are still using ships very similar to the Kelvin in design even if they are newer builds and/or heavily refitted/upgraded internally.
Compare this to the US Navy and the Arleigh Burke is a 25+ year old design however with upgrades they are still in service with new ships being currently built and thats a good argument for ships which could have been in service round the time of the Kelvin still being ships of the line next to the Enterprise.
No. "NX" was a class of starship of the pre-Federation Starfleet. "NX" is a designation for an experimental starship of the Federation Starfleet.
Exactly. An NX is an experimental ship, much like the X-planes in the USA. The Excelsior was an NX-2000 when
she was a prototype.
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Yup, and we know the NX-Prototype (Alpha on the desk there) and the NX-Class (Enterprise beside it) were around in this timeline in the 2150's like we saw in the show. The Franklin is definitely a lot newer and closer to the current NuEra ships.
Here's a better shot than the one I gave yesterday:
Here's a better shot than the one I gave yesterday:
No, the Defiant was Defiant class, as was even made clear in the episode Dogs of War when the new Defiant shows up and Ezri comments "I didn't know we were getting another Defiant class ship." If a ship is "NX class" it resembles the NX-01, just like Columbia and the MU's Avenger. Even the article you linked makes very clear in its first paragraph, what BillJ says in the following post.
It shocks me that here we are, 15 years after Enterprise premiered and this issue still has to be explained to people. Hell, I would have thought the fact that both Columbia (NX-02) and Avenger (NX-09) kept the NX registry despite not being experimental was enough to make it clear the two Starfleets had different practices. But then, I suppose not everyone thinks about starship registries as in depth as I do.
Hmh? Both "The Cage" and "Where No Man" show a three-color uniform scheme. It's just that the colors aren't red, gold and blue there, but sort-of-light-tan, sort-of-dark-tan and blue. But it's not as if the TNG colors would be the same as in TOS or ENT, either, only similar'ish.
This makes it rather unlikely that ST09 would really (in-universe, but also studio-universe) feature just two colors. The blue (apparently matching TOS gold) is distinct, but the other two colors probably are sort of light vs. dark puke...
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