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I think people impose whatever fantasies they want onto things that have yet to be released. We're seeing the same thing play out in how people are deconstructing the Beyond trailer. Some are already classifying it as just a Fast and the Furious clone. Others think it's just the trailer and there's more substance to it.
I actually did read the entire document. And all I read there, is true also for a bazillion other Star Trek fan-films. They all more or less use the same setting, characters, events, technology and even characters. Some even crowdfounded their episodes. And used professional actors and other personell that have been payed. So the problem that CBS has with Axanar must be another one. Think of Peters what you want, but one must wonder, that the whole thing started right after the anouncement of a new series. I wish I could take a peek into an alternate timeline, in which Moonves didn't go ahead with a new show...
BTW: The Title does not mention Star Trek Animated. The character of Robert T. April was first introduced there. Does that mean, CBS is violating the copyright of Filmation, if they ever mention his name?
BTW: The Title does not mention Star Trek Animated. The character of Robert T. April was first introduced there. Does that mean, CBS is violating the copyright of Filmation, if they ever mention his name?
That poll is useless. Of course CBS has a right to defend their property - but it is questionable why now and why not a simple C&D that would have ended Axanar. A lawsuit seems overblown to me - especially since there is no money to gain, as most of it was already spent. Paramount (which seems to be behind this, not so much CBS) sued after reading the script. This, and the upcoming movie, the series all add up to it. Bad timing. Axanar did not much more as all the other fan films do - they pay some of their crew as well, they do fundraising. Axanar just did it a tad more professional - and the outcome did look a tad more professional (although NV, Continues and Renegades do look also quite pro at times as well). I, as much as hopefully most fans out there, would love to see this solved amicably. Which is the option the poll is missing....
How do you know that it was Paramount? That's assuming an awful lot.
A C&D is just a legal letter from one company to another. A C&D is a threat, it carries with it no legal weight. Peters and Axanar, are continuing production with the threat of a legal injunction of a Judge, you think a mere C&D would have had him stop?
We have a saying in the south, when people make this sort of statements, "Bless your heart".
Yes I do. And if they wouldn´t, CBS/Paramount always could sue afterwards, with an even stronger case.
Dennis: Peters indicated the lawsuit was filed one week after Paramount got the latest script through an actor that liked it and showed it to people at Paramount. Another strong indication that the script is the reason is that Robau is one of the copyright characters mentioned in the lawsuit. As far as I know he is not mentioned in Prelude or the Vulcan scene or anywhere else - but most likely in the script.
Of course, we will probably never know for sure.
Dennis: Peters indicated the lawsuit was filed one week after Paramount got the latest script through an actor that liked it and showed it to people at Paramount. Another strong indication that the script is the reason is that Robau is one of the copyright characters mentioned in the lawsuit. As far as I know he is not mentioned in Prelude or the Vulcan scene or anywhere else - but most likely in the script.
Of course, we will probably never know for sure.
"But, your honor...everyone else was doing it." is not a good defense strategy.
Yes. That doesn't make it right.
Yes. That also doesn't make it right - nor is "getting paid" really the heart of the matter.
It's the scale at which is was done.
If in the days of Napster, I downloaded one song - technically illegal but I wouldn't have gotten raided.
If I downloaded a million songs and in turn sold those songs - then I would've gotten smacked hard. That's essentally what's happened here.
I would quote the article from August saying that CBS was aware of Axanar, didn't approve of Axanar, and was looking at their options - but I'm sure you've seen it by this point which blows this hypothesis apart.
CBS would've cared less.
CBS. OWNS. STAR TREK. No one else does. CBS can't violate it's own copyright. They might have to pay royalties to some writer somewhere but that's it.
http://www.axanarproductions.com/david-gerrold-on-cbs-vs-axanar-part-2/
David Gerrold points out what would be best for all side, but I doubt this will be heard by the lawyers.
David Gerrold points out what would be best for all side, but I doubt this will be heard by the lawyers.
Well, you lost me right there. I place no faith whatever in claims that come from the people running the project because so much of what they say is fabricated.
CBS representatives publicly made their position and intentions toward Axanar explicit and clear back in August, as was duly reported by The Wrap.
A C&D issued earlier wouldn't have made CBS/Paramount's case any stronger. They are irrelevant. They have no legal standing... and are typically the tactic of someone who really doesn't WANT to go to court. The fact is, in this case CBS/Paramount wants to sue Axanar/Alec Peters/20 un named co-defendents.
They basically said as much back in August with the Wrap Article...
He's wrong. What's best for CBS is to put a stop to this, now, and that's why they're doing what they're doing.
It's possible that CBS did serve Axanar with a C&D order prior to the lawsuit. We have no statements to the contrary from a reliable source.
I´ve heard from various sources no C&D was served, but probably no reliable sources in Dennis eyes...
But to me it is still innocent until proven guilty, so I assume they did not received one.
I´ve yet to read one statement of Axanar that was "fabricated" or a lie.
But to me it is still innocent until proven guilty, so I assume they did not received one.
I´ve yet to read one statement of Axanar that was "fabricated" or a lie.
So have they secured rights to a David Gerrold Work, to make commercially after Axanar or not? Because Peters said they had, Gerrold said they hadn't.
Is Ares Studios just a pet name for a warehouse, or is it a place where they are working for commercial productions after Axanar?
Ares studio is and always was a pet name. According to Peters, it would be nice to do other productions there afterwards, but no such steps have been taken. I´m sure he and Gerrold have talked about this subject as they seem to communicate frequently - I haven´t read a statement by Peters where he claims he has the rights to any of Gerrolds work, nor have I seen Gerrolds statement.
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