I Stand With...

[dub]

I was looking forward to Axanar, but not anymore. I think the reasons have been beyond thoroughly outlined in the initial thread.

On the other hand, CBS doesn't really need me to stand with them. This is a slam dunk.

I have no dog in this fight.

 

[USS Triumphant]

I was looking forward to Axanar, but not anymore. I think the reasons have been beyond thoroughly outlined in the initial thread.

On the other hand, CBS doesn't really need me to stand with them. This is a slam dunk.

I have no dog in this fight.

You're completely right that CBS doesn't need us. But I think a reason to make it clear that we stand with them anyway is to try to shape relations to benefit the other fan film groups - for whatever minuscule effect we can maybe have.

 

[JoeRalat]

Because vote for Axanar is voting for a fanfilm Production.

Not really. You can support CBS's right to smack down Axanar while at the same time support fan films.

I only said that because I go the impressions of us supporting them would also support all Fan films.

I voted for CBS...anyway

 

[USS Triumphant]

I only said that because I go the impressions of us supporting them would also support all Fan films.

And I actually believe that the opposite is true at the moment - that making it clear that the majority of us believe CBS to be in the right here would go farther to support the other fan film producers.

 

[mswood]

Because vote for Axanar is voting for a fanfilm Production.

Not really. You can support CBS's right to smack down Axanar while at the same time support fan films.

Thank You.While it's absolutely true that CBS has the ABSOLUTE right to kill any fan production, outside of Parody or for educational purpose, there is also a some rather serious differences between how Axanar Productions have acted versus the vast majority of fan films in the Trek universe.

And even if they were run exactly the same, the attitude this productions front man has had, both through the last two years, but especially now makes me want to never see him have success.

I mean seriously out of all the years that we have had fan films, can you think of another production where the producers would bad mouth the talent that chose not to continue with them and insult them public by stating that they couldn't read? Seriously, this is who is running Axanar. I mean sure Hollywood producers might talk about an actor, but its extremely unusual for one to attack one publicly.

There is just no way I could support the project, even if it was fully above board after reading all the childish and unprofessional comments he and others of his team have made over the last few days. Simply disgusting.

 

[mswood]

I was looking forward to Axanar, but not anymore. I think the reasons have been beyond thoroughly outlined in the initial thread.

On the other hand, CBS doesn't really need me to stand with them. This is a slam dunk.

I have no dog in this fight.

You're completely right that CBS doesn't need us. But I think a reason to make it clear that we stand with them anyway is to try to shape relations to benefit the other fan film groups - for whatever minuscule effect we can maybe have.

Another point I strongly support. I have become quite vocal against Axanar and its producers and I think it's wise for the rest of the community to do so ass well, just to show that the fans and other fan film producers find the behavior of peters et all to be totally unacceptable. specially so that just perhaps CBS doesn't feel the need to go after others, even if they have the right to do so.

 

[dub]

I was looking forward to Axanar, but not anymore. I think the reasons have been beyond thoroughly outlined in the initial thread.

On the other hand, CBS doesn't really need me to stand with them. This is a slam dunk.

I have no dog in this fight.

You're completely right that CBS doesn't need us. But I think a reason to make it clear that we stand with them anyway is to try to shape relations to benefit the other fan film groups - for whatever minuscule effect we can maybe have.

The idea that "standing with CBS" will benefit anything in any way, minuscule or otherwise, is as silly as the idea that "standing with Axanar" will make any difference for that project.

 

[USS Triumphant]

The idea that "standing with CBS" will benefit anything in any way, minuscule or otherwise, is as silly as the idea that "standing with Axanar" will make any difference for that project.

Do as you wish. I disagree. Although I will allow nearly as silly. I did say minuscule, did I not?

 

[nx1701g]

I stand with CBS...

But I think that there should be another choice of: I stand with Star Trek Fandom. True, fanfilms do violate copyrights, nonetheless, there are so many that truly respect CBS/Paramount and try to follow the unofficial rules that have been given.

 

[Squiggy]

I was looking forward to Axanar, but not anymore. I think the reasons have been beyond thoroughly outlined in the initial thread.

On the other hand, CBS doesn't really need me to stand with them. This is a slam dunk.

I have no dog in this fight.

You're completely right that CBS doesn't need us. But I think a reason to make it clear that we stand with them anyway is to try to shape relations to benefit the other fan film groups - for whatever minuscule effect we can maybe have.

The idea that "standing with CBS" will benefit anything in any way, minuscule or otherwise, is as silly as the idea that "standing with Axanar" will make any difference for that project.

"Do you agree with CBS or do you agree with Anaxar"?

Pretty sure most people can figure it out.

 

[dub]

...plus, it seemed pretty clear to me that the whole "I Stand with CBS" thing was intended to be a joke at the expense of the "crazies." Good luck using that as a platform to "shape relations." LOL!

 

[dub]

You're completely right that CBS doesn't need us. But I think a reason to make it clear that we stand with them anyway is to try to shape relations to benefit the other fan film groups - for whatever minuscule effect we can maybe have.

The idea that "standing with CBS" will benefit anything in any way, minuscule or otherwise, is as silly as the idea that "standing with Axanar" will make any difference for that project.

"Do you agree with CBS or do you agree with Anaxar"?

Pretty sure most people can figure it out.

Of course. I was just responding to Triumphant's comment:

I think a reason to make it clear that we stand with them anyway is to try to shape relations to benefit the other fan film groups - for whatever minuscule effect we can maybe have.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Woof

 

[Paradise City]

Morally big studio are money making Ferengi. They're not vulnerable shrinking violets and it's difficult to muster sympathy for them even if they are in the right in particular instances. Nor am a fan of copyright law that's gotten a bit too punitive in my view.

However, whilst I stand with Axanar, a part of "standing with Axanar" is giving them tough truths, so I urge them to relent before the big studio juggernaut which has the potential to wreck lives in a very real way. It's just not that important.

 

[Mudd]

Morally big studio are money making Ferengi. They're not vulnerable shrinking violets and it's difficult to muster sympathy for them even if they are in the right in particular instances. Nor am a fan of copyright law that's gotten a bit too punitive in my view.

 

[Paradise City]

Morally big studio are money making Ferengi. They're not vulnerable shrinking violets and it's difficult to muster sympathy for them even if they are in the right in particular instances. Nor am a fan of copyright law that's gotten a bit too punitive in my view.

 

[stardream]

I'm standing off to the side watching all of this go down. Need some popcorn.

 

[Professor Zoom]

I Stand With... the original length of copyright in law: 20 years, in which case Star Trek would be public domain. I *might* could see 30 years because life spans are longer than they were when the US was founded, but the duration has gotten completely absurd.

Only parts of Trek would be in the public domain. Even if copyright only extended to 20 or 30 years after release (which is what I understood you to suggest) Axanar would still be in violation because they intended to use Robau from the 2009 movie and used Soval from Enterprise.

And all of the 2009 ship designs, bridges, uniforms, equipment etc

Even if the copyrights fell into public domain, the trademark wouldn't. They could use the look of the old stuff, but, they wouldn't be able to label it Star Trek.

I Stand With CBS. Fan films are a privilege not a right.

Morally big studio are money making Ferengi. They're not vulnerable shrinking violets and it's difficult to muster sympathy for them even if they are in the right in particular instances. Nor am a fan of copyright law that's gotten a bit too punitive in my view.

What's so wrong with punitive copyright? Why shouldn't I have the right to sue someone who is stealing my work? Why should people be allowed to steal copyrighted material? Why do they think it's ok?

Now, do I think copyright is to long? Maybe. But, do I think it should remain punitive? Yes.

It's not hard. If you are worried you might be sued: don't make a movie using someone else's IP.

 

[Paradise City]

Only parts of Trek would be in the public domain. Even if copyright only extended to 20 or 30 years after release (which is what I understood you to suggest) Axanar would still be in violation because they intended to use Robau from the 2009 movie and used Soval from Enterprise.

And all of the 2009 ship designs, bridges, uniforms, equipment etc

Even if the copyrights fell into public domain, the trademark wouldn't. They could use the look of the old stuff, but, they wouldn't be able to label it Star Trek.

I Stand With CBS. Fan films are a privilege not a right.

Morally big studio are money making Ferengi. They're not vulnerable shrinking violets and it's difficult to muster sympathy for them even if they are in the right in particular instances. Nor am a fan of copyright law that's gotten a bit too punitive in my view.

What's so wrong with punitive copyright? Why shouldn't I have the right to sue someone who is stealing my work? Why should people be allowed to steal copyrighted material? Why do they think it's ok?

Now, do I think copyright is to long? Maybe. But, do I think it should remain punitive? Yes.

It's not hard. If you are worried you might be sued: don't make a movie using someone else's IP.

Punitive as in too severe is my position which is not the same as thinking it's OK. Too much power are in hands of the media cartels who have in turn too much power over the legislature. I've no problem people defending their property or their work or people getting a hit that they'll know about if they do steal.

Copyright is too long. I'd be quite content actually if they limited it but even that goes against the prevailing climate.

 

[JoeRalat]

And all of the 2009 ship designs, bridges, uniforms, equipment etc

Even if the copyrights fell into public domain, the trademark wouldn't. They could use the look of the old stuff, but, they wouldn't be able to label it Star Trek.

I Stand With CBS. Fan films are a privilege not a right.

Morally big studio are money making Ferengi. They're not vulnerable shrinking violets and it's difficult to muster sympathy for them even if they are in the right in particular instances. Nor am a fan of copyright law that's gotten a bit too punitive in my view.

What's so wrong with punitive copyright? Why shouldn't I have the right to sue someone who is stealing my work? Why should people be allowed to steal copyrighted material? Why do they think it's ok?

Now, do I think copyright is to long? Maybe. But, do I think it should remain punitive? Yes.

It's not hard. If you are worried you might be sued: don't make a movie using someone else's IP.

Punitive as in too severe is my position which is not the same as thinking it's OK. Too much power are in hands of the media cartels who have in turn too much power over the legislature. I've no problem people defending their property or their work or people getting a hit that they'll know about if they do steal.

Copyright is too long. I'd be quite content actually if they limited it but even that goes against the prevailing climate.

Well it was Disney that was one of the First to play with the copyright. Whats funny with all the money Disney made from keeping there copyright, and pull it together. They have marvel studio and Star Wars...Makeing TONS of money and buy new stuff seem to work for Disney..

Im sorry, but CBS copyright..They own it...They can do what they want with it..When you are using someone copyright..Show some respect to it.

Alec Peters, its not the person to lead any FanFilm. He has a temper, a huge ego. Its one of the reasons he has been banned from many site.

More is going on with Axanar then we know...Over time more and more people will talk, and we will get a better understanding what the issue is.