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I saw Godzilla

Just one question, the atomic breath obvious was very, very, effective in defeating the MUTOs, why didn't you do that in the first place, Godzilla?!

1. Then we'd only have 2 fight scenes at most and the movie would have been an hour long.

2. The director saved it for dark of night when it would look really frakking awesome!!
 
Both of the train sequences were really nicely directed as well (the one with the commuter train barreling towards the MUTO and the train carrying the bomb).

Agreed. The image of the fiery locomotive emerging from the fog was a really striking image. Especially in Imax 3D
 
So, anyone else bring up that this is a stealth sequel to Jaws yet? I mean the Brody family just seems to have the worst luck.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:
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You are definitely going to need a bigger boat...
 
I will say I was not too crazy about the design for Godzilla's head they went with. While it was a massive improvement over the 1998 version, it still seemed a too square and boxy, and just didn't have enough of the original's look and shape for my taste.
 
I realized only recently that Aaron Taylor-Johnson and Elizabeth Olsen, who play husband and wife in this movie, are the same actors playing Pietro Maximoff/Quicksilver and Wanda Maximoff/Scarlet Witch in the next Avengers film.
 
I came across this neat little theory that his dad could be Daisuke Serizawa from the original movie. But since this is a reboot, it's entirely possible that since 1954's events played differently, that either Daisuke lived long enough to sire a son and/or was uninvolved with the original hunts for Godzilla as seen in the credits (among other possibilities). It was more important to the writers that the Serizawa name continue as a link to the original movie, but Watanabe's character's first name is Ishiro, so it's possible that this isn't a direct recasting of a previous role, but rather that of a descendant. For one thing, Watanabe's Serizawa plays a different role in the movie than the 1954 counterpart.

I'd like to think that Daisuke Serizawa as played by Akihiko Hirata exists in both versions in some fashion, in any regard. Not a split timeline like nuTrek or anything unnecessary like that, but just that he was around in the 50s.

Well, even before now, the Toho films break down into seven distinct continuities, all of which (except possibly Godzilla 2000) include the 1954 attack on Tokyo, but which often portray it, or Godzilla's origins, in distinct and incompatible ways. So it's not exactly a case of a timeline splitting, and more a case of multiple alternative realities that have certain characters, creatures, and events in common. Presumably Daisuke Serizawa is a part of all those prior realities (except maybe 2000 and Godzilla vs. Megaguirus, since that one's ambiguous on whether the Oxygen Destroyer was ever used), so he could be a part of this one too.



I too thought Godzilla could have done with more screen time; but the screentime he did have was executed spectacularly.

I think it was handled just right. They gave us just enough to build anticipation, and then paid it off marvelously in the third act. Audiences today are just too impatient.


I also like the new take that the H Bomb tests didn't create Godzilla per se; more that 'deep exploration' of the oceans 'awakened' him, and once the U.S. and U.S.S.R. were both sure it wasn't 'the other side' -- all the various atomic bomb tests of the 1950ies and 1960ies (with progressively bigger yields) were attempts to kill him, that failed.

Actually that was pretty much the take of the original 1954 film -- that Godzilla was simply a surviving prehistoric creature living undiscovered in the depths, like the coelacanth, and that the Marshall Island nuclear tests had simply driven him from his normal feeding grounds, as well as turning him radioactive. It wasn't until 1991 that he was given the retconned origin of actually being mutated to giant size by nuclear irradiation.

And the allusion to the US and USSR both thinking Godzilla was the enemy reminds me of the plot of the 1984 Return of Godzilla, in which Godzilla's destruction of a Soviet nuclear sub is blamed on the US and almost precipitates nuclear war until the Japanese Prime Minister reveals the secret that Godzilla has returned.


I liked all the 'Easter Eggs' too - like the atomic plant having 'Jira' in it's name and being referred to as 'the Jira plant' (Godzilla in the original 1954 Japanese version - sans Raymond Burr - was actually first named 'Gojira'.)

Well, "Godzilla" and "Gojira" are really just different romanizations of the same syllables, the former using a scheme common in the 1950s and the latter using the scheme preferred today. Like Mao Tse-tung vs. Mao Zedong. And "Godzilla" is the official English spelling and pronunciation used even in the Toho films, whenever you see English signage or characters speaking English. (Although the romanization in the old scheme would've been "Godzila" -- I assume the second L was added for clarity or aesthetics, or perhaps because the name's derived partly from "gorilla.")


Massively Unidentified Terrestrial Object aka MUTO

Just Massive Unidentified Terrestrial Object. Something can't be massively unidentified; either it's identified or it isn't. But the creatures were very massive.


I can understand why some people may not like it; but for me, it worked overall as it was a Godzilla film in the mold of the Japanese Godzilla film template;

Sort of a hybrid template, actually, since it has the seriousness of the early and later films where Godzilla was the villain, and yet it presents the big guy pretty unambiguously as the hero, to an extent we've hardly seen since the goofy kids' movies of the '60s and '70s. Honestly I found Godzilla a bit tame and unthreatening here, although there were moments where the visuals made him and the MUTOs intensely imposing and threatening, especially in 3D.


and I was disappointed that with all the other nods to the previous Godzilla films they had, they never once worked something of the original/iconic 'Godzilla' theme music into any of the new film's score.

Agreed. At least they could've quoted it in the end titles, if nothing else.


hell it's not even entirely clear why he's so estranged from his father beyond his dad obsessing over the details surrounding the mother's death.

Isn't that enough? Joe's become a conspiracy nut, as far as anyone could tell, and it sounded like this wasn't the first time he got himself arrested. Evidently Ford just got tired of dealing with his nonsense.


It was a *bit* frustrating how the movie kept cock-teasing us with the battles. It seemed like every time one would start it'd cut away, or the doors would close, or we'd kinda get to see it on a TV. But maybe all of those teases is what made the full penetration of the final battle all the more great and what we got to see.

Yes, and also it helped keep the perspective on a human scale. That's something we haven't had that much of in a Godzilla film before (since of course the '98 film wasn't about the actual Godzilla) -- usually we cut to more of a monster-eye level for the big fights and they're somewhat detached from the human-level stuff, aside from the occasional cutaway. Here, we were seeing it all fully integrated, as if shot live. We were shown the Honolulu battle, we just saw it the way spectators on TV would be seeing it. It's the sort of verite quality that's favored in a lot of films today.


Just one question, the atomic breath obvious was very, very, effective in defeating the MUTOs, why didn't you do that in the first place, Godzilla?!

I imagine it takes a lot out of him, so it's a last-resort kind of thing. Besides, it was good that they saved it for the right moment. Seeing that blue light coming from inside the smoke, realizing what it meant, was one of the coolest moments in the film.

Hey, was anyone else playing "Spot the ubiquitous Vancouver actor" as they watched? Hey, there's Garry Chalk! There's Hiro Kanagawa! There's Ty Olsson! There's Brian Markinson! Even Jill Teed is here! The only one I missed was Terry Chen. I wish it hadn't been so obvious that the "Japan" scenes were filmed in Canada.
 
Actually I was kind of hoping the atomic breath would look a little more.... atomic-y, and more like a huge blast of energy. The bluish-white flame they used was cool, but not quite as impressive as I was hoping for.

Don't know about you, but I thought they just weren't going to do that at all...

... then you get the build-up starting at the tail and...

YES!!!!

Almost missed it, because I was in the middle of a yawn.
 
Hey, was anyone else playing "Spot the ubiquitous Vancouver actor" as they watched? Hey, there's Garry Chalk! There's Hiro Kanagawa! There's Ty Olsson! There's Brian Markinson! Even Jill Teed is here! The only one I missed was Terry Chen. I wish it hadn't been so obvious that the "Japan" scenes were filmed in Canada.
Sure was! I was really hoping for Lexa Doig & Roger Cross to show up.
 
I will say I was not too crazy about the design for Godzilla's head they went with. While it was a massive improvement over the 1998 version, it still seemed a too square and boxy, and just didn't have enough of the original's look and shape for my taste.

That was my initial thought as well but I have to say, he's growing on me.

Such a TREMENDOUS improvment, I'm pretty happy.
 
Hey, was anyone else playing "Spot the ubiquitous Vancouver actor" as they watched? Hey, there's Garry Chalk! There's Hiro Kanagawa! There's Ty Olsson! There's Brian Markinson! Even Jill Teed is here! The only one I missed was Terry Chen. I wish it hadn't been so obvious that the "Japan" scenes were filmed in Canada.
Sure was! I was really hoping for Lexa Doig & Roger Cross to show up.

I thought I saw Teryl Rothery too, but she's not in the credits, so it was probably someone else.
 
While the movie wasn't at all what I was expecting, I came out extremely satisfied. My only exposure to the movie was the trailers/marketing campaign, which didn't touch upon the MUTOs or the heroic nature of Godzilla's appearance. I also didn't expect to get misty-eyed so early in the film when Brody has to say goodbye to his wife during the reactor incident. Getting such amazing actors for relatively minor roles really elevated those scant few moments and made me feel and believe in them and their relationship.

I'm not sure why, but the sight of Godzilla swimming with the US Navy really spoke to my inner 10-year-old and the restraint in showing him in a full-out brawl until the final battle was very effective. I loved Godzilla's look, which felt entirely faithful to the original, right on down to his lumbering shuffle. The MUTO's design felt a little bit like the Cloverfield monster but I really dug the hard-carapace look, the burning eye 'streaks' and the squared-off head/beak.

I watched quite a bit of the old Toho Godzilla films in my youth and this movie did a fantastic job of creating a modern and hard-edged take on the heroic Godzilla theme. I'm looking forward to more entries like this one.
 
The MUTO's design felt a little bit like the Cloverfield monster but I really dug the hard-carapace look, the burning eye 'streaks' and the squared-off head/beak.
Yeah, the arms were very Cloverfield-ish, the heads & mandibles were reminiscent of the Warrior Bugs in Starship Troopers, and the "burning eye streaks" reminded me of the Shadows from Babylon 5 (the spidery ones that accompanied Morden wherever he went).
 
I guess by this point it's kind of impossible to come up with a truly original monster design. Pretty much everything has been thought of already.
 
I had assumed that the male fertilized the eggs she was carrying, which (thankfully) the movie didn't show.

Oh, well, yeah, that is what happened in the movie. I suppose "born pregnant" was a misstatement. I just wanted to do the tribble joke.
 
Saw the movie with my best friend this past Saturday night, and we're both students of the Toho movies (and we were also captives in the theatre for the 1998 butchering of the character)

That being said, we both absolutely loved it! It had all the hallmarks of the Toho movies (who made Godzilla movies at a pretty steady clip, some of which were on the Chiller network this past Saturday also!), but added some American style to the way the movie was made. The combination was done well, IMO.

When Godzilla was charging up to breathe the ray the first time, I just had this feeling of excitement like I was watching the original movies on TV when I was little! In fact, the whole movie made me feel that way!

One Easter egg I loved: when Ford and Joe go back to their house in the quarantine zone, Ford looks at an aquarium type of tank. The label on it looks to be masking tape put over another name tag, which together spelled out "MOTHRA"...
 
I guess by this point it's kind of impossible to come up with a truly original monster design. Pretty much everything has been thought of already.

Well, we'd also have to consider that Godzilla himself is a mishmash of various real world creatures, including bears, alligators, and Tyrannosaurs, among others. And that's a 60 year old design. Mixing up monsters and designs could in and of itself also be original.
 
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