@Shalashaska, IMO, a good episode for Quark and Rom is Bar Association. I'm not sure what season it's in.
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Excuse me, but why the fuck would anybody want to live on a dirty ship? If your ship has a shitload of resources in space to refuel the replicators from that would provide the cleaning products and materials to fix a bridge, why would one not fix said bridge and make it as clean as can be? That's like letting one's apartment or house fall apart and become as dirty and filthy as anything, and I don't think that most navies would let standards slip, even during wartime. Just because the show didn't go into big detail about how the Voyager crew got resources doesn't mean that they didn't get them; people were left to assume (and in a good assumption that implies they're intelligent adults that don't need to be told everything) that they repaired the ship in between episodes. There's no excuse for the crew of Voyager to let the ship look like shit, especially when they could find friendly races that would most likely help them with supplies and repairs (and especially when they could go to a planet and get said resource, as in the episode Demon.) The situation on Galactica was and is different because the Colonials were going to find a new world to live on and may have not needed the ships of the RTF to be in peak condition when they got to said new homeworld.
Frankly, considering what the Colonials were facing with the Cylons, I'm surprised that they didn't and wouldn't keep the Galactica and the other ships in good condition and even make them better by stopping off at a planet with resources to fix the ships, come up with new electronics, and so on.
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^I guess necessity and choice are easily confused.
In reality, that gritty space thing wouldn't work. In small, confined spaces people would be cleaning all the time..look at the space station..it's certainly cluttered with gear but its CLEAN! Plus, Star Trek was better at extrapolating technology, BSG simply said, everything is going to be the same as now, even though we have advanced in technology. Star trek says no...if you extrapolate certain things you have to follow through...we won't have telephones from the 1950s on a starship bridge..we'd have touch controls and wireless technologies. We won't have slop on the floor and paint falling off because we have advanced systems to take care of that, as befitting tech 100s of years more advanced. the ship will clean itself they said, and yes, it should be able to.
Actually it isn't. Read some of the stories of longer term stays in Space. Especially the Mir stations. They develop smells. And things start to get a greasy coating and feel from skin flakes and such. Yes they clean constantly but it still happens. And as the resources diminish, and the crew diminishes and it becomes a greater struggle to just keep things working, the smaller stuff falls away. Voyager shows this well in the Year Of Hell story arc.
But as far as routine stuff. Yes Janeway would have constant cleaning. But that would not do much for the increasing damage to things. They aren't going to replace the carpet after every console explosion. Or repaint the bridge. Some things should persist until they can reach a facility capable of servicing them on a large scale. Voyager went a little far past the realm of believably given their circumstances. Plus the majic 'They can just replicate it" is and was a cop out that undermined the entire premise of the show. Especially when in the first few episodes they defined certain finite resources, such as Torpedo's and those Bio Neuro packs to control the ship, that specifically could not be replicated. Then promptly ignored those limits in every way.
Nor would they replace Neelix's cooking ... which they didn't.
Perhaps they had to have rationing of food replication to keep up the power levels for replicating replacement parts for whenever the ship was damaged.
I can see that if it's a choice between replicating needed parts for repairs to keep the ship functioning or everyone getting to eat what they want, you know which one is going to have priority. And I don't think Neelix's cooking ever killed anyone.
I can see that if it's a choice between replicating needed parts for repairs to keep the ship functioning or everyone getting to eat what they want, you know which one is going to have priority. And I don't think Neelix's cooking ever killed anyone.
But that was just it. At the start of the series they discussed certain supply limits. Hard firm things that they had in stores and could not get more of. The ships gel packs were an example. It is clear that there are a lot of things on the ship that could not be replicated. It is probably far easier to replicate simple things like organic food products than complex metals or composites such as those used in structural and ship critical parts.
Plus as said. If they could replicate anything, the first thing to be jettisoned was Neelix's cooking. Heck if they could easily replicate new carpeting for the bridge they would be eating that instead of Neelix's cooking.
For the record, my post wasn't all about the cleaning issue, but using that as a springboard to the larger issue of the ship being too magically in perfect condition under the circumstances, with only lip service paid to difficulties.
Yeah but the point is..they are always cleaning right? It's like someone pointed out earlier..a navy ship. There's always maintenance going on. It'll never just sit there and look run down as long as it's livable and manned.
The current design for the long term exploration module for Orion will look something like this:
The current design for the long term exploration module for Orion will look something like this:
So long as there is a US Navy base in sailing range.
We're also extrapolating 24th century technology..stuff like this should be child's play if we have it now. No need to have paint chipping, etc.
Who cleans the Enterprise?
There was always much more going on than paint chipping on Voyager, complex repairs that would require going to a starbase in the other series, and a reduced, less disciplined crew to carry them out.
Why? They usually had help, and as long as there were raw materials--and certainly they encountered more than enough advanced civilizations--they could repair almost anything.
Advanced civilizations that need nothing from Voyager (nothing they could legitimately afford to give away)? Technology that is likely no directly compatible with with Federation technology and from a different design aesthetic? If Voyager looked substantially different after seven years, I might buy it.
There's no reason to retrofit if they can use raw materials and create/replace/design with molecular based replicator technology. They also had the benefit of 7of9's nanotechnology..more advanced than the Federation.
Voyager had an industrial replicator?
Those extra shuttles had to come from somewhere.
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