I like Star Trek V

[Praetor]

Seventy-eight decks.

I can't believe how many people actually care about that. Whatever.

It actually doesn't bother me very much. It's just one of those things I ignore, because it was obviously a mistake. If you look earlier upthread, I actually like this movie because it captures the TOS feel, even if it has flaws.

Also, I'd call the McCoy recast comment an April Fools' prank.

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

Let's not forget the magically shifting decks of the E-E....

As for Chekov, Uhura, Sulu being easily impressionable, let's all remember their childlike giddiness when Kirk first arrived on the bridge in TMP. This istance of the characters' portrayal always bugged me, and seemed inconsistent

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Also, I'd call the McCoy recast comment an April Fools' prank.

It wasn't meant as an April Fools' prank. I misremember it from Captain's Log: The Making of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

Here is the quote:

Excerpt from Captain's Log: The Making of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier Pg. 68

To make matters worse, we found out that DeForest Kelly was ill and had to be in the hospital for a time. There was a danger that he wouldn't be well enough in time to do the film.

I'd thought there'd been some speculation that they would have to recast with Hal Holbrook. Or I'd read it somewhere else. Or I'd just connected some bit of hearsay and put two and two incorrectly together.

Anybody got a copy of Movie Memories handy?

In any case, I didn't mean for everyone to get into a tizzy.

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

That's interesting considering

Kelley also noted the physicality required for this film and enjoyed doing things that he had not been asked to do for years. "I was very pleased to see that he [Shatner] brought it along in fine style."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_V#cite_note-dillard-0

 

[QuasarVM]

Nope. Not crazy at all. There's something to like about each one of the Trek films. Some, I would say are better than others, but they all have their merits...even if for some films they are few and far between.

Gotta find the diamond in the dung at times.

 

[trevanian]

Also, I'd call the McCoy recast comment an April Fools' prank.

It wasn't meant as an April Fools' prank. I misremember it from Captain's Log: The Making of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

Here is the quote:

Excerpt from Captain's Log: The Making of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier Pg. 68

To make matters worse, we found out that DeForest Kelly was ill and had to be in the hospital for a time. There was a danger that he wouldn't be well enough in time to do the film.

I'd thought there'd been some speculation that they would have to recast with Hal Holbrook. Or I'd read it somewhere else. Or I'd just connected some bit of hearsay and put two and two incorrectly together.

Anybody got a copy of Movie Memories handy?

In any case, I didn't mean for everyone to get into a tizzy.

The really charming Deforest Kelley bio from a couple years back mentions the Dennis Weaver/Holbrook recasting of McCoy as being paramount's idea for keeping costs down on TFF, since they didn't want to pay De's price (separate issue from his illness.)

So you remembered right, just from the wrong book.

 

[trevanian]

After talking with JKTim, I'm convinced this is bunk. Both Kelley and Nimoy were hesitant about signing onto The Final Frontier, but it was due to them having problems with the screenplay (Kelley was uncomfortable with the religious angle; Nimoy thought it plain sucked), not Kelley's health.

The Kelley bio is FROM SAWDUST TO STARDUST.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

The really charming Deforest Kelley bio from a couple years back mentions the Dennis Weaver/Holbrook recasting of McCoy as being paramount's idea for keeping costs down on TFF, since they didn't want to pay De's price (separate issue from his illness.)

So you remembered right, just from the wrong book.

Thanks! I knew I read it somewhere. Glad to know it wasn't bunk.

 

[caisson2delta]

I enjoyed the movie, and still do, even with some of it's flaws. It always had the feel of being a good episode for the series as opposed to being a feature film; much in the way that Insurrection felt. I actually read the book prior to seeing the movie and loved the book. I was a bit disappointed because I was expecting it to be more like the book.

The one thing that really struck me and I'm surprised no one has mentioned this, is Spock and Zybok. I always felt that learning of him having a brother, a full blooded Vulcan, that put aside everything he strived so hard to achieve explained a great deal about his character and much of how he was.

 

[Messianni]

I'm still not much of a fan of it. I watched it, for the first time in years, just last week.

However, there are moments in the film that I absolutely love. Namely, as it seems with everyone else, the moments with the Kirk/Spock/McCoy Trifecta are pitch-perfect and some of the best scenes in all of Trek.

The rest of it though? I can do without, especially when it comes to the near-character suicides of the rest of the cast. They look like absolute morons and we know the exact opposite is true.

From what I understand the studio was being a complete ass to Shatner and wouldn't release the money to give him a decent special effects budget. That's too bad, because even that might have helped to improve the film at least a little bit.

 

[Starbreaker]

I like the movie too. I'm convinced the internet makes people hate things.

 

[Praetor]

Nah, it's groupthink that 'makes' people hate things.

 

[Eddie Roth]

^^ Oh yes, that's true! But you know, eventually, people's true feelings resurface. Look at TMP... I remember when I first got internet access, there was still a lot of hate going round about that one, now it seems it's accepted as the flawed masterpiece that it is.

Or Spock's Brain. Once honestly called Trek's worst episode ever (which it never was, just its silliest), I believe people have eased up on it and now more often than not just enjoy it as a very campy, but in that sense very fun little show.

The same may still happen to TFF one day...

 

[Praetor]

Time is often necessary for objectivity, even if a person doesn't realize it.

 

[igrokbok]

Nothing wrong with Trek 5. Alot of the so called "problems" with Trek 5 aren't exclusive to that movie. In fact similar arguments can be made for the other movies as well as the TV series. Just depends on how bad you to want to nitpick. The flavor and feel of Trek 5 is closest in spirit to that of the original series. I don't require any more than that.

 

[Admiral James Kirk]

The really charming Deforest Kelley bio from a couple years back mentions the Dennis Weaver/Holbrook recasting of McCoy as being paramount's idea for keeping costs down on TFF, since they didn't want to pay De's price (separate issue from his illness.)

So you remembered right, just from the wrong book.

Would Dennis Weaver or Hal Holbrook really have cost less than De Kelley? They always seemed like much bigger names to me.

 

[Messianni]

I like the movie too. I'm convinced the internet makes people hate things.

Nah, it's groupthink that 'makes' people hate things.

Oh bullshit. Did you ever stop to think maybe, just maybe, that many people didn't care for it? Just because you like it doesn't mean everyone else who doesn't is a bunch of sheep. Nevermind the low critical ratings and box office of the film. There were many flaws, ever Shatner admits it and at times gets damn near apologetic in the commentary. If the guy who made the thing, especially one with as large an ego as Shatner, can understand why people wouldn't like it as much as the others, I don't think that's "groupthink". That's just a general consesus of people acknowledging that yep, it sucked.

 

[Praetor]

Um, defensive much?

I didn't mean to imply that there weren't valid reasons for a person to dislike a particular thing. What I meant was that very often, people subscribe to a particular opinion held by the majority of others - particularly in forums such as this - without actually formulating their own opinion in the first place, simply to 'fit in.' Hence people who automatically chime in to mention that 'x' sucks or is the best thing ever once one person states the opinion.

In no way did I mean to imply that anyone who has a legitimate problem with the film, as you seem to, is a sheep.

 

[Iowagirl]

Its a fun romp movie that does not take itself too seriously and along the way entertains us with some old friends........what more could you ask for.

I love STV.

Same here! I like the "family feel" STV conveys - some great Kirk, Spock, and McCoy moments.

 

[trevanian]

The really charming Deforest Kelley bio from a couple years back mentions the Dennis Weaver/Holbrook recasting of McCoy as being paramount's idea for keeping costs down on TFF, since they didn't want to pay De's price (separate issue from his illness.)

So you remembered right, just from the wrong book.

Would Dennis Weaver or Hal Holbrook really have cost less than De Kelley? They always seemed like much bigger names to me.

Weaver hadn't been any kind of draw since McCLOUD, and Holbrook probably never got a 500 grand paycheck in his life (too good of an actor to be that successful, I guess.)