I like Ezri, but...

I liked her, but I have a little trouble with her shift to the command path.
The original series writers' guide encouraged would-be Star Trek writers to think about whether their story would work in present-day terms. Would the captain of a US Navy ship flirt with a woman he met in a port of call while on his own ship?, that sort of question. Well, how often does the psychologist, doctor, or chaplain of a US Navy ship end up in command of a ship? I guess, maybe, if it's a hospital ship but otherwise probably not.
It's a bad example.

Her and Troi's role seems on par with the director of human resources. It's a future military not one of the past.

Her job is to keep an eye on staff, gauge their emotional state, make recommendations against and for promotions, etc. She's essentially top level management which would only make sense when they're literally beside the captain all day long.

It was a time of war, and it made sense that Ezri's knowledge from the slug is greater than anyone officer would ever ever get from the academy regardless of whether or not they're a tactical officer, engineer, scientists etc.

In a modern military Ezri would probably be made a commander on the basis of her slug. They wouldn't play the game of waiting for her identities to merge.
 
Ezri was more interesting than Jadzia at that point. Ezri and Garak figuring out each other's and their own problems at the same time... just awesome :D
Pretty much, Ezri was a breath of fresh air, she was the only thing I liked about what was a very meh season.

I only like Jadzia as Worfs lady, otherwise she was just so vanilla of a character.
 
It took about 3-4 rewatches of DS9 before I liked Ezri. Terry Ferrell has spoken somewhere about the things Berman used to say to her and it's absolutely awful. She just wanted a reduced episode count to do Becker, I think and they were annoying about it because Berman had it out for her. Ezri the character is actually great, it's the fitting her into the show that is kind of annoying as @Oddish has said. Bashir/Ezri is disgusting. (In my head canon it was a fling to distract Bashir from being devastated by Garak and then they start up again shortly after). I (eventually) enjoyed seeing her get used to being joined and I liked her dysfunctional family and the different relationship she has with Ben. But that being said, way too many episodes focus on her, some of them are really stupid and she doesn't seem like she is in a good place to be a counsellor to anyone. And I really found it idiotic having her on the bridge in battle.
 
Bashir/Ezri is disgusting.

I more found it just... dull. Their first kiss didn't make me gag or anything, just roll my eyes and say "yeah, whatever".

In my head canon it was a fling to distract Bashir from being devastated by Garak and then they start up again shortly after).

For some reason, I liked Garashir as an "unrequited desire" sort of thing... it must be difficult (even heartbreaking) for a person who's gay to have feelings for someone who simply isn't wired to return them. And probably quite common, given the ratio of cishet people to LGBT+ ones.

I (eventually) enjoyed seeing her get used to being joined and I liked her dysfunctional family and the different relationship she has with Ben.

Anyone else think that a romance between her and Jake would have been an interesting plot development?

And I really found it idiotic having her on the bridge in battle.
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I always saw Ezri as a shorter, more neurotic Jadzia… some of Ezri’s mannerisms aped Jadzia’s… that may have been the actress herself mimicking Jadzia movements and behaviours.

I loved when Ezri vommed after learning that “her” birthday present of various GAGHs ordered when she was still Jadzia had arrived. “mishi-gagh JUMPS!” Hehe.

At first the character annoyed the frell outta me, but she was great as the season progressed.

Trills had changed so much since being introduced in TNG “The Host”, the symbiont was assigned more control. It was only with Jadzia that the trill were a more blended, partnered species. I especially loved Jadzia’s Zhian’tara and when Odo merged with Curzon. It would have been interesting to leave them joined for a couple of eps.

there was no evidence of that Bean Counting KnickersSniffer Verad though, there should have been. He was joined long enough… and Joran kept morphing, The Sisko’s portrayal was weird. I loved his Season 7 appearance…
 
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If nothing else, Ezri was worth it for her call-out of the Klingon Empire....something Jadzia never would have done.

Yes! And she told it to Worf right to his face. Which decided him to get rid of Gowron eventually.

Gowron was a great character, I’ve seen numerous videos pulled from Klingon games and Language primers… but it was time to show his ineptness and get rid of him…
 
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"There oughta be a law..."
 
I also liked Ross and Martok and Sisko on Cardassia, Martok making a toast and Ross and Sisko pouring out their bloodwine rather than drinking to it.
 
Gowron was a great character, I’ve seen numerous videos pulled from Klingon games and Language primers… but it was time to show his ineptness and get rid of him.
I never saw him as inept... he was more a character who was mostly an ally, but had his own agenda. Honestly, after journeying with him from TNG on, it kind of pissed me off that one, they assassinated his character at the end, and two, Martok was basically installed against his will when he clearly didn't want to be Chancellor, and three, Worf didn't clean up his own mess.
 
I never saw him as inept... he was more a character who was mostly an ally, but had his own agenda. Honestly, after journeying with him from TNG on, it kind of pissed me off that one, they assassinated his character at the end, and two, Martok was basically installed against his will when he clearly didn't want to be Chancellor, and three, Worf didn't clean up his own mess.

I’d call him inept, he was wasting the only resources the alliance had on worthless raids that were just getting Vortas-class cruisers blown into tiny μScopic chunks… and he was going to keep on doing it until Worf stopped him. Besides, Worf enacted Gowron’s “Honorable Retirement”.

remember, he was no great military planner. Picard told him to attack the Mempas sector while the federation exposed the Romulans. Gowron early on showed his ineptitude when he put a “matter of honour” above important strategic planning during the Klingon Civil War.

Gowron made the mess, Worf cleaned it up and fixed it. Despite Martok’s aversion to leading the empire, he was the only one qualified to do it, and from our vantage point, he did a swell job for the rest of the Changling/Domninion war.
 
I like both Jadzia and Ezri and I think in a lot of ways they did a good job showing the interesting subtle ways her relationships with people she knew and didn’t know changed. I liked that her relative inexperience and unpreparedness also made her less skeptical and cool than Jadzia but more curious in a way. I liked them both.

But the first time I watched DS9 I was so frustrated how much time they take up in the first half of the season with her because it seemed like they were trying to catch her up on centric episode counts. Now I like some of those episodes more.

The dumbest thing, and granted I’m pretty disdainful of the mirror universe, is when they shoehorn her into that story. Again reminding viewers as they did with Worf that only current characters exist in the mirror universe. An understandable situation IRL but as preposterous as the same people existing at all in a universe with a history which had diverted from the primary universe so long ago…sorry, got a little off subject.

Ezri is swell- but I do think it probably resulted in some less time spent on other characters in the seventh season but improved episodes like the Siege of AR-558 by including a character strong in different ways than Jadzia was.
 
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I’d call him inept, he was wasting the only resources the alliance had on worthless raids that were just getting Vortas-class cruisers blown into tiny μScopic chunks… and he was going to keep on doing it until Worf stopped him. Besides, Worf enacted Gowron’s “Honorable Retirement”.
They made him inept at the end, yes. But the Gowron I followed from TNG to the reinstatement of the Khitomer Accords seemed to have his stuff together. And in any case, if Worf was going to kill Gowron, he should have been ready to wear the coat himself.
 
I more found it just... dull. Their first kiss didn't make me gag or anything, just roll my eyes and say "yeah, whatever".



For some reason, I liked Garashir as an "unrequited desire" sort of thing... it must be difficult (even heartbreaking) for a person who's gay to have feelings for someone who simply isn't wired to return them. And probably quite common, given the ratio of cishet people to LGBT+ ones.



Anyone else think that a romance between her and Jake would have been an interesting plot development?


:techman:

Ezri and Jake feels like it would have been weird given she holds memories of his birth and childhood from Curzon and Jadzia.

As for 'Garashir' - both actors have said they played their roles as if the characters were sleeping together. I never got the impression Garak was a sad gay with a pathetic crush...
 
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They made him inept at the end, yes. But the Gowron I followed from TNG to the reinstatement of the Khitomer Accords seemed to have his stuff together. And in any case, if Worf was going to kill Gowron, he should have been ready to wear the coat himself.

reinstating the Khitomer accords was the only non-inept thing he did, remember, it was his buffoonery that started that short war. He allowed himself to be influenced by a fake Martok…

Lol, as much as I liked Gowron, he was a blustering buffoon from start to finish. Bahaha
 
Ezri and Jake feels like it would have been weird given she holds memories of his birth and childhood from Curzon and Jadzia.

IMO, "Old being hooking up with human." is one of the tamer romantic couplings in fiction of this nature.
 
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For a more extreme example, see Flint and Rayna in TOS "Requiem for Methuselah"
 
As for 'Garashir' - both actors have said they played their roles as if the characters were sleeping together. I never got the impression Garak was a sad gay with a pathetic crush...
I knew Andrew Robinson was playing Garak that way (until the powers that be told him to stop), but didn't know Siddig was going that route as well.

And let's be clear, having a crush on a person isn't "pathetic". It's normal human (and undoubtedly Cardassian as well) behavior.
 
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