I just had to say it

[Lynx]

After powering through TNG via Netflix, one of the things that bugs me is the Troi episode formula. Can she stop falling in love with or just running across bad guys who turn out to be bad guys, often with something to do with her empath powers putting her in jeopardy? Every...single...time. The only one that broke that formula was the one where she was turned into a Romulan.

Except for Riker, Troi did seem to have a bad taste when it came to males.

The slimy Devinion Ral, the even more slimy Ambassador Alkar and that weird guy in "The Masterpiece Society". Troi and Worf wasn't a good combination either even if Worf actually is a sympathetic person.

Otherwise I actually like Troi. Very attractive and a good character.

 

[Emperor Norton]

Except for Riker, Troi did seem to have a bad taste when it came to males.

The slimy Devinion Ral, the even more slimy Ambassador Alkar and that weird guy in "The Masterpiece Society". Troi and Worf wasn't a good combination either even if Worf actually is a sympathetic person.

Otherwise I actually like Troi. Very attractive and a good character.

She had no reason to have anything to do with Devinoni Ral. Literally five minutes after they meet they're jumping into bed together. And you think maybe they knew each other prior, but no. And you think maybe because they're Betazoid they linked up quickly via telepathy, and cut through the relationship details at the speed of thought, but no, because he did not reveal he was a Betazoid until later. So any excuse the audience can create is literally debunked by the story.

 

[Mojochi]

Just have to say... Starfleet is WAY too blasé about returning officers to active duty after major incidents. POW? Borg assimilation? Mind-jacked & forced to live out an entire life on a dying planet or in a prison? Brain-washed by Romulans? A castaway on an abandoned planet for 8 years? YOU SIR! go straight back on the job, my friend! Just make sure to have a chat with the counselor a couple times a week & we're good.

You just KNOW Ben Maxwell is back on the job somewhere. Seriously, I half expected them to just reassign Scotty for god sake

 

[Triskelion]

Are you supposed to change for the holodeck or not?

 

[Lynx]

Just have to say... Starfleet is WAY too blasé about returning officers to active duty after major incidents. POW? Borg assimilation? Mind-jacked & forced to live out an entire life on a dying planet or in a prison? Brain-washed by Romulans? A castaway on an abandoned planet for 8 years? YOU SIR! go straight back on the job, my friend! Just make sure to have a chat with the counselor a couple times a week & we're good.

You just KNOW Ben Maxwell is back on the job somewhere. Seriously, I half expected them to just reassign Scotty for god sake

I can see your point.
But maybe we can assume that mental problems can be more easily cured in the 24th century.

However, it could have been interesting with another end of "Chain Of Command" when Dr. Crusher accidentally over-dosed the medicin Picard needed to overcome his experience with the Cardassians and the episode would end with Picard dancing in through the turbolift door to the bridge singing the Small Faces's song "High And Happy!

 

[Shikarnov]

^ If they could cure mental illnesses, severe traumas, and post-traumatic stress with such ease, one would think Barclay's life-long antisocial disorder would have been more quickly diagnosed and treated.

As for the topic at hand:

I hate the four-foot model. It looks cheap and more primitive with all kinds of protruding details. And for all the practicality reasons we were fed, mainly the ease of using a smaller model, we never saw any more interesting motion effects.

Imaged capped from http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/galaxy.htm

 

[Mojochi]

I can see your point.
But maybe we can assume that mental problems can be more easily cured in the 24th century.

Doesn't seem to be helping those whacko augments that Bashir hangs out with

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

If they could cure mental illnesses, severe traumas, and post-traumatic stress with such ease, one would think Barclay's life-long antisocial disorder would have been more quickly diagnosed and treated.

Some things are debilitating professionally and should be treated with drugs for immediate, therapy and other training for long-term. Barclay's problems are more facepalm worthy. You don't drug everybody for everything.

On another topic...technically, Data should be named "Datum". As he's only one individual.

 

[Emperor Norton]

Not all the time, but this is a symptom of Star Trek at it's more annoying: I hate moron space aliens. I hate races with their stupid traditions or otherwise irrational behavior that refuse to try and work things out or understand reason when the heroes bend over backwards and go out of their way to appease them. No human has ever taken irrational offense to aliens where they'll refuse to sign a treaty or something. If space alien guy accidentally says he'll sleep with human ambassador guy's wife, human ambassador guy will laugh it off and explain what he did wrong. If human character guy sneezes three times instead of just two, alien guy will point an accusatory finger at him for offending the great god bleep blorp and threatening to murder his family because three sneezes are an evil omen, and then he opens fire on the ship and refuses to sign the not-murder-humans treaty. This was handled well enough in TNG and DS9 most of the time, because the heroes would get annoyed at the irrational alien BS if it occurred, which acts as a relief for the audience, and I can't recall much irrational alien BS. The Sheliak come to mind where Picard gave a middle finger of rhetoric to them. VOY and ENT, not so much. And this is the key point I hate in Star Trek when it pops up and the crew acts like we have to respect their stupidity. It's frustrating.

 

[bbjeg]

Are you supposed to change for the holodeck or not?

I think holodecks also have replicators, so you don't have to change.

 

[Vger23]

^ If they could cure mental illnesses, severe traumas, and post-traumatic stress with such ease, one would think Barclay's life-long antisocial disorder would have been more quickly diagnosed and treated.

As for the topic at hand:

I hate the four-foot model. It looks cheap and more primitive with all kinds of protruding details. And for all the practicality reasons we were fed, mainly the ease of using a smaller model, we never saw any more interesting motion effects.

Imaged capped from http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/galaxy.htm

I TOTALLY agree. The 4 ft model is awful. It takes me right out of the show every time I see it. It's cheap and looks lumpy, like it has starship chicken pox.

 

[Mojochi]

On another topic...technically, Data should be named "Datum". As he's only one individual.

Only in so much as Lore should be called Legend lol

 

[Voth commando1]

Just have to say... Starfleet is WAY too blasé about returning officers to active duty after major incidents. POW? Borg assimilation? Mind-jacked & forced to live out an entire life on a dying planet or in a prison? Brain-washed by Romulans? A castaway on an abandoned planet for 8 years? YOU SIR! go straight back on the job, my friend! Just make sure to have a chat with the counselor a couple times a week & we're good.

You just KNOW Ben Maxwell is back on the job somewhere. Seriously, I half expected them to just reassign Scotty for god sake

Yeah with all the pyschological torture Starfleet officers go through not just in TNG or DS9 but Voyager and ENT and heck TOS as well it's just ridiculous that they aren't being sent home or sent to mental wards.

Or maybe to join Starfleet you have to show that your superhuman, tough enough and accepting weird enough(Janeway) to handle the kind of crap your thrown.

 

[Triskelion]

I think holodecks also have replicators, so
you don't have to change.

OK, sure. I mean, we saw snow from the holodeck exit and wetten Picard's uniform, though we also saw Cyrus Redblock completely evaporate leaving no clothes behind, because holo-characters are just photonic. But then, with the replicators right there, why would the crew bother to parade around the decks in their weird period costumes? Or even enter the bridge and conduct official business dressed like Ebenezer Scrooge or some Shakespearean peasant?

Did they enjoy freaking out aliens with weird anachronisms? OK, that might be fun....

 

[Mojochi]

OK, sure. I mean, we saw snow from the holodeck exit and wetten Picard's uniform, though we also saw Cyrus Redblock completely evaporate leaving no clothes behind, because holo-characters are just photonic. But then, with the replicators right there, why would the crew bother to parade around the decks in their weird period costumes? Or even enter the bridge and conduct official business dressed like Ebenezer Scrooge or some Shakespearean peasant?

My thought on that is because of personal preference. Holodeck time is blocked. If you want to enjoy it to its fullest, & you also want to have something rather authentic or particularly unique to wear, or something you might even want to keep & use again, it would make sense to fashion it beforehand, to save actual holodeck time for play. I might also craft my programs & characters etc.. in my quarters as well, instead of standing there like a moron explaining it all to the computer before it runs

Yeah with all the pyschological torture Starfleet officers go through not just in TNG or DS9 but Voyager and ENT and heck TOS as well it's just ridiculous that they aren't being sent home or sent to mental wards.

Or maybe to join Starfleet you have to show that your superhuman, tough enough and accepting weird enough(Janeway) to handle the kind of crap your thrown.

That would leave dweebs like Barkley out lol

 

[TheGoodStuff]

Just have to say... Starfleet is WAY too blasé about returning officers to active duty after major incidents. POW? Borg assimilation? Mind-jacked & forced to live out an entire life on a dying planet or in a prison? Brain-washed by Romulans? A castaway on an abandoned planet for 8 years? YOU SIR! go straight back on the job, my friend! Just make sure to have a chat with the counselor a couple times a week & we're good.

You just KNOW Ben Maxwell is back on the job somewhere. Seriously, I half expected them to just reassign Scotty for god sake

I think this is a great point!

So many episodes in the series have crew members go through incredibly traumatic experiences with no real repurcussions. No PTSD, no anxiety, no depression...Picard is tortured by Cardassians and is allowed to just stroll back to command of the flagship, he gets assimilated and...de-assimilated...and just mosey's on back to the bridge. They all must have nerves of steel.

 

[Vger23]

I think this is a great point!

So many episodes in the series have crew members go through incredibly traumatic experiences with no real repurcussions. No PTSD, no anxiety, no depression...Picard is tortured by Cardassians and is allowed to just stroll back to command of the flagship, he gets assimilated and...de-assimilated...and just mosey's on back to the bridge. They all must have nerves of steel.

I also thought this was a great point. It really does highlight the "episodic" format of TNG and how weak that seems in comparison to how television generally is today.

 

[Triskelion]

I also thought this was a great point. It really does highlight the "episodic" format of TNG and how weak that seems in comparison to how television generally is today.

Exactly! It was a different time with different aesthetics, techniques and purposes. There are two ways to evaluate such past cultural elements - from within its environment, or from today's standards. Both valid approaches, we just should be aware of which we are using; or risk ignorance of the past in a zeal to prove them inferior without even underestanding them in the first place. Also, an expectation for things like hyper-real characters in high-impact situations says more about us today than any deficiency of the past.

Another differing characteristic is the Original Series and how it drew heavily from stage theater production in not only set and lighting, but also writing, manner and delivery. Which would be seen in the Next Generation's approach to the episodic, amnesiac reset button format. They were dramatic vignettes depicting snapshots of a better future humanity; not reality TV zooming in on Real World characters with lens flares and shaky cams. TNG was meant to illustrate morality plays; not necessarily convince people it was a high definition drama of real world continuity (for ex, BSG). You know, back when TV was entertainment, not a cult. Oops, I've said too much.

 

[Phoenix219]

^ If they could cure mental illnesses, severe traumas, and post-traumatic stress with such ease, one would think Barclay's life-long antisocial disorder would have been more quickly diagnosed and treated.

As for the topic at hand:

I hate the four-foot model. It looks cheap and more primitive with all kinds of protruding details. And for all the practicality reasons we were fed, mainly the ease of using a smaller model, we never saw any more interesting motion effects.

Imaged capped from http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/galaxy.htm

man, i still think that ship is so ugly.....

 

[OtherGene]

Why does nobody ever get changed into something more casual when they're chillaxing in Ten Forward? I think I saw Riker in a blue shirt once.