Halley Berry. Single-handedly messed up the franchise.
I for one dislike Marvel Studios' approach to their movies
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Halley Berry. Single-handedly messed up the franchise.
^I wouldn't say she did it single handed but casting someone who is five foot nothing as Storm wasn't such a great idea to begin with.
They got Magneto, Xavier (McKellen and Stewart being friends off screen helped a lot) and Wolverine right. Others they got completely wrong.
They got Magneto, Xavier (McKellen and Stewart being friends off screen helped a lot) and Wolverine right. Others they got completely wrong.
I mostly agree except for Wolverine. Hugh Jackman is too good looking and tall compared to what the character was supposed to be. And given that James Marsden out heroed Superman in his own movie, it is pretty apparent that Singer squandered his performances as Cyclops. Those films were Wolverine movies and the X-Men were just supporting characters, totally wrong approach to the characters. But it was better than nothing and they did well enough to make the genre viable commercially.
Jackman doesn't fit the role physically, but he did such a good job that it really didn't matter. I completely agree that Cyclops was totally squandered (which ticks me off, since Cyke's my favorite X-Man); however, I think that was more a problem with the scripts and the studio directives than anything else. The X-Men movies focused on Wolverine for a reason.
Partly, it was also a money issue, he was the highest paid actor on the film and they wanted to him to take a paycut of about 80% (if the trade magazines are to be believed).
Exactly. Halle, while passable, lacked the authoritative presence that I expected of Storm, as additionally to her height the voice was lacking.
And don't get me started on Iceman and Rogue.
RDJ was the main character while Howard barely had anything to do in the movie. Howard definately shouldn't have been paid more then RDJ. But it was Marvel's first big movie they were bound to make mistakes. Hopefully they've learned their lesson.
Passable as what?! There was absolutely nothing Storm-like about her performance. In fact, there was nothing passable about her performance.
Being dark-skinned is not qualification enough. I think I'd rather have seen Queen Latifah in the role.
Ouch. And I thought I was bitter.
I thought she gave a good performance with what she was given, but you're quite right she was not Storm. Perhaps 'passable' was too lenient a word. She was very... meek.
They could never focus on Cyclops, you can't see his eyes. Look how Geordi got upgraded in time for the TNG movies.
For the record, Robert Downey Jr. has been signed for The Avengers film.
^Never really doubted that he would, but good news nontheless.
darkwing_duck1
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For the record, the Marvel/Lionsgate combine has made six DTDVDs over the past few years:
Ultimate Avengers
Ultimate Avengers 2
Iron Man
Dr Strange
Next Avengers
Hulk vs Wolverine/Hulk vs Thor
Of those, I score them this way (in order within each rank):
Excellent: UA, UA2, Iron Man
Very Good:
Good:
Passable: Dr Strange
Poor: Next Avengers
Haven't Seen: Hulk vs Wolverine/Hulk vs Thor
On the Live Action side, I score them thus (in order within each rank):
Excellent: Iron Man, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four,
X-Men 2
Very Good: Fantastic Four 2, Spider-Man 2, X-Men,
Good: Daredevil, Punisher (06)?, X-Men 3,
Spider-Man 3
Passable: Electra
Poor: Ghost Rider
Haven't Seen: either Hulk film, Punisher (08)
Over all, I think Marvel has done a fine job, both with the films it is most directly in control of, and overseeing the others.
Ultimate Avengers
Ultimate Avengers 2
Iron Man
Dr Strange
Next Avengers
Hulk vs Wolverine/Hulk vs Thor
Of those, I score them this way (in order within each rank):
Excellent: UA, UA2, Iron Man
Very Good:
Good:
Passable: Dr Strange
Poor: Next Avengers
Haven't Seen: Hulk vs Wolverine/Hulk vs Thor
On the Live Action side, I score them thus (in order within each rank):
Excellent: Iron Man, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four,
X-Men 2
Very Good: Fantastic Four 2, Spider-Man 2, X-Men,
Good: Daredevil, Punisher (06)?, X-Men 3,
Spider-Man 3
Passable: Electra
Poor: Ghost Rider
Haven't Seen: either Hulk film, Punisher (08)
Over all, I think Marvel has done a fine job, both with the films it is most directly in control of, and overseeing the others.
I would say:
Excellent: UA, UA2
Very Good: Hulk vs Wolverine/Hulk vs Thor
Good:
Passable: Iron Man. Dr Strange
Poor:
Haven't Seen: Next Avengers (haven't and won't... who greenlit this shit?)
You're generous.
Excellent: Iron Man, Spider-Man,
X-Men 2, X-Men
Very Good: Spider-Man 2, X-Men 3
Good: Punisher (06)?, Fantastic Four,
Passable: Fantastic Four 2, Spider-Man 3
Poor: Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Electra
Haven't Seen: either Hulk film, Punisher (08)
I have a different scale:
Awesome: X-Men, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, Iron Man
Good: X-Men 2, Daredevil (Director's Cut), The Incredible Hulk
OK: Fantastic Four, Spider-Man 3, Ghost Rider
Meh: Punisher, X-Men 3
Teh Suckz: Fantastic Four 2, Electra, Hulk
Haven't seen: Punisher: War Zone
As to Marvel's plans, to me, it's all upside. If it works out, it will create a cinematic universe of great consistency and scope. If attempts to make a shared universe don't mesh creatively with the format, they'll just go back to making largely solo efforts; with the popularity of their properties, even if an Avengers film crashes, or one of the lead-up does poorly, they still have the credibility to rework their material (presuming they can learn from any such errors, of course, which isn't always a given with these studios).
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Awesome: X-Men, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, Iron Man
Good: X-Men 2, Daredevil (Director's Cut), The Incredible Hulk
OK: Fantastic Four, Spider-Man 3, Ghost Rider
Meh: Punisher, X-Men 3
Teh Suckz: Fantastic Four 2, Electra, Hulk
Haven't seen: Punisher: War Zone
As to Marvel's plans, to me, it's all upside. If it works out, it will create a cinematic universe of great consistency and scope. If attempts to make a shared universe don't mesh creatively with the format, they'll just go back to making largely solo efforts; with the popularity of their properties, even if an Avengers film crashes, or one of the lead-up does poorly, they still have the credibility to rework their material (presuming they can learn from any such errors, of course, which isn't always a given with these studios).
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
Why the downgrade on Iron Man? Were you expecting it to tie directly into the UA movies? I thought it did a really good job considering it only had ~70 minutes to tell it's story (as opposed to a 120 min feature length)
You're generous.
Excellent: Iron Man, Spider-Man,
X-Men 2, X-Men
Very Good: Spider-Man 2, X-Men 3
Good: Punisher (06)?, Fantastic Four,
Passable: Fantastic Four 2, Spider-Man 3
Poor: Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Electra
Haven't Seen: either Hulk film, Punisher (08)
Why the downgrades on the two F4s? I know it seems to be fashionable to trash them, but they made significant BO, and they were well done in relation to the original premise. They may not have had the "flash and thunder" of other Marvel movies, but F4 was always more about the team as a family, with superheroics thrown in for good measure.
Daredevil I can see more of an opinion difference on. It wasn't a very ambitious movie, really, and DD has always come off as something of a low rent Batman. His rogues gallery is similarly weak, with the exception of course of Kingpin, who I thought was well cast here.
Just curious to see your reasoning...
I didn't expect it to tie in directly, and that was fine, I was more annoyed by how it revised the origins of the suit. It did what it did well, but having the suit designed and built elsewhere before his capture just irked me.
FF1 I think was good, except for the way it re-imagined/downplayed Doom and the pace seemed to plod through the middle of it. (I'm actually one of the few people I personally know who actually like it.) FF2 just bored me to tears, and I hate cloud Galactus. Little things like that can just ruin it for me.Why the downgrades on the two F4s? I know it seems to be fashionable to trash them, but they made significant BO, and they were well done in relation to the original premise. They may not have had the "flash and thunder" of other Marvel movies, but F4 was always more about the team as a family, with superheroics thrown in for good measure.You're generous.
Excellent: Iron Man, Spider-Man,
X-Men 2, X-Men
Very Good: Spider-Man 2, X-Men 3
Good: Punisher (06)?, Fantastic Four,
Passable: Fantastic Four 2, Spider-Man 3
Poor: Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Electra
Haven't Seen: either Hulk film, Punisher (08)
Exactly. I have never cared for the character, and that movie bored the hell out of me.
Yes it has I think or its available on YouTube ,because I've seen it.
If Doctor Mordred from Blue Moon productions is in DVD or Tape,then Doctor Strange is released as well.
signed
Buck Rogers
If Doctor Mordred from Blue Moon productions is in DVD or Tape,then Doctor Strange is released as well.
signed
Buck Rogers
Yeah she was bad. I loved how her African accent just magically went away in the second movie because even Singer had to know how awful it was. Storm is supposed to be powerful and god-like. I really didn't get that from her. Angela Basset would have been a much better choice imo.
But there were many other things I disliked about them. Scott was barely in them, and when he was he was turned into a laughing stock. Some leader. I mean, why bother having him in there if you aren't going to give the character his due? Bobby was a kid. Gambit, the love of Rogues life, wasn't in them, because they didn't want him to steal Wolverines thunder. Rogue was an emo version of Kitty Pride. Sabretooth was a throw away thug, with no mention of his history with Logan being brought up at all. "What happens when a Toad gets hit by lightning.." line is one of the worst lines in movie history. Wolverine was way, way, way too heroic, dashing, and pretty. Not to mention being the only character that mattered. Everyone else was just doing cameo's in Wolverine solo films.
The only main characters they got right were Charles, Magneto, Jean, and Beast. But, like I said, those were mostly just cameos.
And those are just the first two films. Last Stand is whole new ballgame of flaws.
Overall they're good films. But they do have major flaws that just can't be overlooked..
Which is funny, because I think DC fans seem to have way higher standards then Marvel fans. DC fans want everything to be perfect. Which is funny considering how bad most of their movies are. Marvel fans don't really care so long as it's fairly faithful and a good product.
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