I for one dislike Marvel Studios' approach to their movies

[Praetor]

Brilliantly put, Thrall. All of those were my issues with them, too. I would have loved an Angela Bassett Storm myself.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

It's strange to me that people are confusing the comic book universes with their movie counterparts. The essences are all there.

It's like complaining about Ultimate X-Men, or the versions of X-Men in "House of M" or a What-if? comic.

Not literal translations, people. New universe, new interpretations.

Storm is regal and godlike? Says who? The movie version shows us as she is, different from her Ultimate incarnation, different from her 616 version.

The movies are playing fast and loose with continuity anyways (Samual L. as Fury amidst the 616 armour designs). These aren't "flaws" by any means. The day critics and film historians list these complaints as "flaws" is the day I hope movies are no longer made, since they won't be appreciated anyways.

 

[Thrall]

It's strange to me that people are confusing the comic book universes with their movie counterparts. The essences are all there.

It's like complaining about Ultimate X-Men, or the versions of X-Men in "House of M" or a What-if? comic.

Not literal translations, people. New universe, new interpretations.

Storm is regal and godlike? Says who? The movie version shows us as she is, different from her Ultimate incarnation, different from her 616 version.

The movies are playing fast and loose with continuity anyways (Samual L. as Fury amidst the 616 armour designs). These aren't "flaws" by any means. The day critics and film historians list these complaints as "flaws" is the day I hope movies are no longer made, since they won't be appreciated anyways.

So I'm guessing you're a big fan of The Burton and Schumacher Batman films?

 

[Praetor]

^Ouch.

It's strange to me that people are confusing the comic book universes with their movie counterparts. The essences are all there.

No, they really aren't. Rogue is a powerless emo. Iceman is a wuss. Storm is... well, Halle Berry. It's an alternate interpretation, yes, but at this level it basically becomes an entirely different character.

It's like complaining about Ultimate X-Men, or the versions of X-Men in "House of M" or a What-if? comic.

Not literal translations, people. New universe, new interpretations.

No, not at all. The whole point of 'Ultimate X-Men' was to re-imagine the universe. 'House of M' was a radically altered universe. If you were (or are) a fan of the classic versions of these characters, would you honestly want to watch a movie called 'X-Men' that was about (for example) a motley group of elite mercenaries from the planet Xarl that hunt down slug-like creatures called the Brotherhood?

Storm is regal and godlike? Says who? The movie version shows us as she is, different from her Ultimate incarnation, different from her 616 version.

The movies are playing fast and loose with continuity anyways (Samual L. as Fury amidst the 616 armour designs). These aren't "flaws" by any means. The day critics and film historians list these complaints as "flaws" is the day I hope movies are no longer made, since they won't be appreciated anyways.

The 616 universe says so, for one. The Ultimate universe isn't far behind. While there isn't one definitive way that a character 'should' be, it stands to reason that when adapted a character from source media, as much should be maintained as possible to keep the character identifiable unless there is a good plot reason not to. If you're going to change that much, you should just change the name and use your own ideas. Literature never transfers exactly verbatim from to the big screen because of the differences of the media, and sometimes changes must be made, yes. It's one thing to combine the best ideas of (again) the source materials, but it's another to change characters for no good reason.

Critics and historians shouldn't regard these as flaws, but fans should.

 

[Neopeius]

Wolverine was way, way, way too heroic, dashing, and pretty. Not to mention being the only character that mattered. Everyone else was just doing cameo's in Wolverine solo films.

It's funny you say that. When Wolverine debuted in the mid 70s, nobody liked him He was an obnoxious runt. People routinely sent letters asked that he me kicked off the team.

So they made him cool. Really cool. Super cool. Way cooler than everybody else. And then everybody loved him.

I think the movies reflected that very well.

BTW, I'm a Nightcrawler fan

 

[hyzmarca]

Since the movie had a meek Rogue who never stole Ms. Marvel's powers, why not a meek storm was was never worshiped as a goddess by an African tribe?

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

So I'm guessing you're a big fan of The Burton and Schumacher Batman films?

Thank you for making my point, even if wasn't what you were trying to do.
Batman has just as many comic interpretations as he does media (Adam West, Tim Burton, Schumacher, 90's Batman series, the most current).

There's no such thing as a definitive Batman. Sure, people say "This version is my personal definitive", but that changes among individuals.

And yes, huge fan of the Burton films, for the record.

But just like the X-Men. If you can't look at the movie lineup and point out Storm, Cyclops and Wolverine, then there's MAJOR issues, because petty details aside, 100% of the people who know the characters had no trouble with that. And it didn't have to go so far as to being from planet Xarl (heh, I like that!). It didn't stray THAT much. An it stayed consistent in its own, new movie universe.

(Professor X and Magneto aren't British, nobody complains about those two fantastic actors though! But poor Hale Barry, she's just not on their level so it's fine to pick on her)

 

[hyzmarca]

I'd strongly recommend anyone who wants to be dismissive of Hale Berry's acting skills watch Monster's Ball. The bigger issue with storm was how she was written and how her powers were toned down.

 

[Trent Roman]

^ The issue with Berry is that, whatever her performance in realist cinema, she can't do genre. Her role as the block of wood formerly known as Storm aside, look to Gothica, or, if you have the stomach, Catwoman. The actress always looks like she doesn't quite believe her role or everything else in the film, like it's all a great big joke to her. She fails entirely to sell the credibility of the character or plot.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[Praetor]

Since the movie had a meek Rogue who never stole Ms. Marvel's powers, why not a meek storm was was never worshiped as a goddess by an African tribe?

Apparently that's what they thought.

I'd strongly recommend anyone who wants to be dismissive of Hale Berry's acting skills watch Monster's Ball. The bigger issue with storm was how she was written and how her powers were toned down.

^ The issue with Berry is that, whatever her performance in realist cinema, she can't do genre. Her role as the block of wood formerly known as Storm aside, look to Gothica, or, if you have the stomach, Catwoman. The actress always looks like she doesn't quite believe her role or everything else in the film, like it's all a great big joke to her. She fails entirely to sell the credibility of the character or plot.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

Exactly, good actress, but not in genre, and she was working with what they gave her.