"I'm proud of you, son," said Admiral Paris.
How would you rewrite Endgame?
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I thought the actual episode was a pretty satisfying conclusion/resolution.
My main issue was probably that Admiral Janeway backed down from her criticism of her past self, instead became basically admiring of her and able to easily work together with her, way too quickly and unconvincingly. Instead either have the two Janeways continue in disagreement (and leave it up to the audience to decide who's more right), maybe Admiral Janeway is more the hero who with questionable methods succeeds, or have present Captain Janeway outright be the one to more back down, admit that she's too uncompromising and it's time to put the crew first, OK to be a little selfish and so change the timeline. That was certainly the Admiral's view and kind of the episode's view but instead and overall the episode tries to just avoid the issue, make changing the timeline to get home sooner a very minor bonus to defeating the Borg.
My main issue was probably that Admiral Janeway backed down from her criticism of her past self, instead became basically admiring of her and able to easily work together with her, way too quickly and unconvincingly. Instead either have the two Janeways continue in disagreement (and leave it up to the audience to decide who's more right), maybe Admiral Janeway is more the hero who with questionable methods succeeds, or have present Captain Janeway outright be the one to more back down, admit that she's too uncompromising and it's time to put the crew first, OK to be a little selfish and so change the timeline. That was certainly the Admiral's view and kind of the episode's view but instead and overall the episode tries to just avoid the issue, make changing the timeline to get home sooner a very minor bonus to defeating the Borg.
Admiral Janeway knew that Voyager would be near the Borg Nebula at that point, and with the future tech she brought, it was the perfect time and place to attack. It was also the time where the current cast was operating. No need to hire anyone but one Queen.
Good enough for the Admiral.
Good enough for Paramount.
I see what you say but I'll stick to my opinion. It was too convenient and too abrupt. Second to last episode Voyager is traveling through the DQ, last episode Future-Janeway shows up with a way to go home and, for once, an idea pulled out of thin air works! It reeked off "oops, we didn't get renewed for an 8th season so let's wrap it up in one episode".
(Yes, I know it was a double episode, but the point remains)
Now, within the story:
According to Seven there were a number of such corridors so why couldn't the Admiral pick any other one that Voyager had been close to earlier? If her whole point was to save fallen crewmembers (it's been a while since I last watched "Endgame" so correct me if I mis-remember, but attacking the Borg was Captain Janeway's idea. The Admiral only wanted/planned on simply using the Borg corridor to get Voyager to Earth much sooner and save Tuvok/Seven/Chakotay) plus her chosen ones, it would have made much more sense to travel to a much earlier point in time when Tuvok wasn't even ill.
I don't mind time travel when done right, but I just don't think it was done right in this case, which is why I believe that had it been removed altogether, it'd work much better.
They arrive on Earth.
Great, new Mommy goes to prison.
Miral grows up to lead the New Maquis.
Gonna lead a movement, ya gotta break some arms.
Great, new Mommy goes to prison.
Miral grows up to lead the New Maquis.
Gonna lead a movement, ya gotta break some arms.
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After Tuvok gets to Earth, any family member can cure him with a mind meld.
And if the Admiral traveled to any point earlier, there would be no need for a cure because Tuvok wouldn't have been ill to begin with (especially since the first time we hear about that illness was the very same episode).
Admiral Janeway travels years further into the past and destroys the Caretaker's array. Gifts the Occama a self contain power source that would provide for them for thousands of years. Plants a cyber-virus that frees all the Borg, disconnecting the collective. Transports all ex-Borg Federation species back to the alpha quad.
Returns to her own time.
Roll credits.
Returns to her own time.
Roll credits.
I wanted at least another episode celebrating the Voyager's return and Janeway's promotion to Admiral. Is the Voyager now permanently in the Starfleet museum for it's historic journey?
For me Voyager is all about the journey, not the destination but I could do with a montage in the end of the crew seeing their loved ones, a celebration of Voyager becoming a museum, Captain Janeway becoming an Admiral, the Maquis being officially pardoned etc instead of the opening half of the episode.
I don't think she even needed to do all that. Just go back to the beginning, pass Tuvok a message to stop Chakotay from going to that specific part of the Badlands and avoid the Caretaker altogether. No need to mess with the Delta Quadrant politics and no need to commit genocide either. Just avoid the whole thing and stop her crew from suffering no casualties whatsoever.
Seriously, that's why I dislike time travel in this episode. Not only it's pulled out of thin air just for the finale, but it allows the Admiral to undo a number of changes Voyager did to the world around it in its final leg of the journey, just to cure Tuvok's disease that didn't exist in a previous episode and to avoid Seven's death/Chakotay's eventual heartbreak. Big whoop!
I would have got back to Voyager roots and used the Nacene. I would have used 'Fury' to reintroduce the female caretaker and the nacene as the main adversaries for Voyager to contend with. In fact I probably would have set up the Nacene arc as early as 'Equinox'. Instead of the the weird antimatter aliens, Ransom and his crew would have been using a Nacene or something. This leads to Voyager getting back on suspiria's radar.
I'd watch that!
Was about this post this in a similar thread
I'd probably would have gone for a bookend ending involving the Caretaker with a several episode build up and nothing involving the Borg or very little of them. (main reason is because I find the Collective being abused as a plot device. "Drone" was the last decent episode IMO with them and they barely featured in it)
Perhaps in the final episode the Voyager crew does not even return to the Alpha/Beta Quadrant because of some sacrifice they have to make but they now know they will reach it in time (not decades or so)
I know this makes it sound I would expect a movie follow up but perhaps a couple of television specials could have been done.
A lot in Voyager was wasted opportunities and I happen to like the show.
I'd probably would have gone for a bookend ending involving the Caretaker with a several episode build up and nothing involving the Borg or very little of them. (main reason is because I find the Collective being abused as a plot device. "Drone" was the last decent episode IMO with them and they barely featured in it)
Perhaps in the final episode the Voyager crew does not even return to the Alpha/Beta Quadrant because of some sacrifice they have to make but they now know they will reach it in time (not decades or so)
I know this makes it sound I would expect a movie follow up but perhaps a couple of television specials could have been done.
A lot in Voyager was wasted opportunities and I happen to like the show.
I like the idea of the Caretaker being back (frankly the one episode the female Caretaker appeared was too little, too early) for the full circle sensation. I definitely agree with the several episode build up. That's something I always want and like in a series finale, instead of a single episode (double or not) that feels like the writers had to end it in a hurry and did the best they could.
That was pretty much Endgame. The producers wanted to finish up Voyager so they could move on to Enterprise.
Quite some pointless episodes could have been cut from Season 7 to do a little mini arc that would really push the crew to the limit like in "Year of Hell".
Imagine how much more satisfying the conclusion would have been if it involved everything they have learned and new tech and resources they had acquired to make it home.
Like someone else here suggested, what if it were the Nascene in "Equinox" that were killed to be used as fuel by Ransom and the final arc would be about a crisis involving the Nascene. (oh and "Fury" being about Suspiria instead of Kes) Well making them invade the Milkyway Galaxy to retaliate may be a bit extreme (and cliche) and perhaps better for a plot involving Species 8472 but perhaps a plot in which the Nascene decide to remove/inhibit all warp travel in the Milkyway Galaxy, now there you have a plot with high stakes.
Not just Voyager would take thousands of years to get home but all galactic civilization would collapse.
Heck you could make a reference to the Omega Directive.
Edit: damn now I want to make this as a fan fic
Exactly. That, along with the time travel (which I dislike since we know there's that time police branch of the 29th century that has its eye on Voyager) and Tuvok's illness (which came up out of the blue, just for this episode), is my main gripe with the finale.
Bring back the female Caretaker or, ideally for me, dedicate a big part of seasons 6 and 7 (since there is a whole episode in season 6 with Barkley and Starfleet Command trying to find a way to make contact with Voyager) to find a way to bring them home.
Write it!
My one big bug bear with Voyager is how it ended, so I would re-write the whole thing to be ambiguous - did they get home or not - and chop out most of the future stuff.
Or perhaps have some scenes intercut with a Future Tuvok, suggesting that something went wrong on the way and perhaps there were some deaths etc. The finale was too 'complete' for me, if you see what I mean.
Or perhaps have some scenes intercut with a Future Tuvok, suggesting that something went wrong on the way and perhaps there were some deaths etc. The finale was too 'complete' for me, if you see what I mean.
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