That's Bernd Schneider's Mauretania over at EAS.Praetor said:
How would you re-imagine the NX-01 Enterprise?
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Could we get a confirmation of this line of dialogue? I only recall Scotty referring to the Bonaventure as the first starship fitted with warp drive, not that she was the Federation's first ship with warp drive.
But as we all know TAS was never considered canon, so it really does not matter.
Not this hullabaloo again!
There was a time when it was considered just as valid as anything that appeared on TOS. It was not until the late ‘80s when the marketers got their grubby hands on the property and, using Rodenberry as their puppet, discontinued references to any events of TAS. Never was there an official line that said TAS is not canon – it was only indicated by actions and ignorance that the studio considered it apocryphal.
TAS was created by the same folks that made TOS, involved the same characters and universe, was largely voiced by the original cast, and, now has been released on DVD (this last bit is clearly not evidence of the studio’s stance on TAS, perhaps just an indication); thus, it must be canon. If it smells like TOS, sounds like TOS (for the most part), and looks like TOS (for the most part), it must be TAS and therefore, it “happened”.
If you neglect to include TAS as canon you can effectively remove any element of the Star Trek “on screen” universe from canon that displeases you, including Enterprise (which made reference to elements of TAS).
See, here's the thing as I see it. (I'm not alone either).
TOS - they built starship models that got their start from pencil sketches. You won't get any argument from me that the E-nil did not get its start from relatively crude pencil sketches.
TAS - the starship pencil sketches only evolved to pen and ink and colored animation cells. They lacked a certain precision, detail and specificity that the models and designs from the TOS possessed. They were not "engineered" in the production sense to the degree that TOS designs were. They were cartoony and crude. They were NOT definitive.
And when I say "they", I mean the Bonaventure, aquateen hunger for....er, um, I mean the aquashuttle, and various alien ships of the week.
TOS - they built starship models that got their start from pencil sketches. You won't get any argument from me that the E-nil did not get its start from relatively crude pencil sketches.
TAS - the starship pencil sketches only evolved to pen and ink and colored animation cells. They lacked a certain precision, detail and specificity that the models and designs from the TOS possessed. They were not "engineered" in the production sense to the degree that TOS designs were. They were cartoony and crude. They were NOT definitive.
And when I say "they", I mean the Bonaventure, aquateen hunger for....er, um, I mean the aquashuttle, and various alien ships of the week.
Gecko of Gorn said:
Praetor said:
Enterprise looked. I found these two images online, and they served as my inspiration:
Firefly meets Trek. :thumbsup:
I'm not alone on that, then. :thumbsup:
I still havnt found my 3d digital sketch, guys. Been looking.
but have found a half finnished ship, that i designed because i was bored.
Its a design that looks as if it can be an additional class of ship in the latter part of Kirks missions, sort of a cross between TOS/TMP styling.
I could tweek it a little to become a prequal ship though, i suppose.
Ill have it up in a few hours.
On the prequal ship: well, if i can remember what it looked like, it was a few years ago. Hmmmm, i think it consisted of the saucer, it had four engine layout and two sensor 'pods', not seconday hulls.
I'll whip up a basic sketch of it and describe some of the funcions as i go along.
Icy_Penguigo said:
Well, I pretty much couldn't stand Enterprise for all the same reasons that have been thouroughly covered in this thread. The ship was the first thing I saw of the show, and I was immediately angry. I saw a picture of it in a TV Guide, and first thing I thought was, "This has to be a joke or a trick to fool the fans so the real design doesn't get leaked." I mean, the ship was just a modified and retextured Akira. That was a big slap in the face to me. Just imagine if they'd done basically the same thing using the Enterprise-D as a basis?
Anyway, when Enterprise first came out, I made this model in my backlash. Never finished it, almost forgot that I had it.
Icy_Penguigo, I'd like to offer my complements to your artwork.
Clear back in the early 1990's, I had thought of what early Federation or pre-Federation starships from Earth might look like. I had thought of them evolving from the DY-series spacecraft, basing part of my assumption on the automated frieghter Woden from TOS "The Ultimate Computer". The Woden had to have at least limited FTL capability, or it wouldn't be much good to the Federation as a frieghter.
Anyway, I imagined the DYellow submarine as the basis for Earth's early starship design, with the tubular hull fitting in at the design-ancestor of the secondary hull of Constitution-class starships several decades later. The conning tower of the DYellow would become the interconnecting dorsal, and the saucer would be incorporated on top.
Then the Phoenix came along in the "First Contact" movie, and I thought it would make a neat twist of the nacelles were positioned along the sides of the main hull instead of being at closer angles on top.
Icy P, I love this design! :hug: :thumbsup:
Wow, thanks guys! I didn't really think people would pay much attention to this model. I basically made it because I was pissed off about the NX-01 and I wanted to make myself feel better. 
But it's been getting such a good response from people that I may have to finish it the model and texture it. 
Again, thanks for the compliments everyone!
But it's been getting such a good response from people that I may have to finish it the model and texture it. Again, thanks for the compliments everyone!
^Ditto!
Icy_Penguigo, I sincerely do hope you'll show us more of this design. It just makes sense. While I like it as-is, I'd be intrigued to see how you would further detail it.
Icy_Penguigo, I sincerely do hope you'll show us more of this design. It just makes sense. While I like it as-is, I'd be intrigued to see how you would further detail it.
I believe Mister Penguino's design here would function right nicely as a warp field test vehicle.
I just threw this together in the last hour or so, real quick, as a rough idea of how I'd, sort of, invision it.
Those are the impulse engines tucked into the backs of the nacelles.
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