How would you change the show?

[Oddish]

BTW the main thing I would change would be to boot Harry Kim and keep Kes. She would either be near death at the end of Season 7, or she would have evolved into a Q-like being. it would have been interesting to see Kes interact with Q, and join the Continuum near the end of season 7.

Given that they had no idea how to properly develop Harry's character (he seemed to vacillate between competent and clueless regardless of year, when they paid attention to him at all), that might have been wise. If all a character is going go to is stagnate, maybe you should try to make a good story of their departure.

I'm going to drop a hot take here. I wouldn't change it, because I love it just the way it is.

Fair enough. You, unlike the rest of us, will get what you want.

 

[Akiraprise]

I like looking back on some of these old news articles. A lot of the things we would modify, it seems, are things that the showrunners thought of in the beginning but changed for whatever reasons influence the running of a weekly television show.

https://i.imgur.com/QbkRRbU.jpg

 

[Anwar]

Also, they should've had a single scene where they outright say "We're just as far away from the Bajoran Wormhole as we are Federation space, there's no point going to the Gamma Quadrant".

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Year of Hell: The Series.

Yeah, I went there. The SERIES.

Also, they should've had a single scene where they outright say "We're just as far away from the Bajoran Wormhole as we are Federation space, there's no point going to the Gamma Quadrant".

I don't think they needed that. Everybody knows that going to the wormhole would be too risky anyway, simply because of the Dominion. And the wormhole might not even be there anymore...

 

[Oddish]

I could have lived with seeing more of the YoH Janeway: emaciated, scarred, wild eyed, and with that pocket watch strapped to her waist.

A whole series might have been pushing it, though...

 

[Anwar]

Folks expecting the damage from Year of Hell to last the entire series were fooling themselves.

Even NuBSG couldn't resist the reset button. Anytime Adama was ousted from Power he always wound up back in charge.

Anytime Roslin wasn't President, she wound up back as President.

The damage from Year of Hell would've been repaired and the injuries healed eventually, resetting everything.

 

[Oddish]

YoH was one of the few times the Big Red Reset Button really worked well. If Voyager hadn't been in the deplorable habit of jumping up and down on said Reset Button, I don't think its use there would have been an issue at all.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Folks expecting the damage from Year of Hell to last the entire series were fooling themselves.

Maybe not the entire series, but the people making the show wanted Year of Hell to last a whole season. The network wouldn't let them.

This is also why ENT had the Temporal Cold War. It was also something that was forced upon them from on high.

 

[fireproof78]

The damage from Year of Hell would've been repaired and the injuries healed eventually, resetting everything.

There's a difference between slowing repairing and just ignoring it next scene. All I wanted from Voyager was them to actually acknowledge their own premise, or if it changes, acknowledge the change.

Maybe not the entire series, but the people making the show wanted Year of Hell to last a whole season. The network wouldn't let them.

Indeed, and it would have been nice to show that things actually matter and that there are consequences on this survival mission.

 

[Anwar]

There's a difference between slowing repairing and just ignoring it next scene. All I wanted from Voyager was them to actually acknowledge their own premise, or if it changes, acknowledge the change.

Indeed, and it would have been nice to show that things actually matter and that there are consequences on this survival mission.

Let me put it this way, if after a battle with, say, the Borg that Voyager got away from with heavy damage and they find their way to an alien spacedock at the end of the episode and the next episode explicitly is stated to by 2 months later and everything is fixed....

...Even that would be seen as a "Reset Button".

 

[fireproof78]

Let me put it this way, if after a battle with, say, the Borg that Voyager got away from with heavy damage and they find their way to an alien spacedock at the end of the episode and the next episode explicitly is stated to by 2 months later and everything is fixed....

Sounds good. Lack of consequences is my biggest pet peeve.

 

[Farscape One]

Let me put it this way, if after a battle with, say, the Borg that Voyager got away from with heavy damage and they find their way to an alien spacedock at the end of the episode and the next episode explicitly is stated to by 2 months later and everything is fixed....

...Even that would be seen as a "Reset Button".

But at least that reset button would make sense.

The ship should NOT have been pristine right after "DEADLOCK", particularly when essentially no time passed by.

 

[Weyoun 251]

Let me put it this way, if after a battle with, say, the Borg that Voyager got away from with heavy damage and they find their way to an alien spacedock at the end of the episode and the next episode explicitly is stated to by 2 months later and everything is fixed....

...Even that would be seen as a "Reset Button".

It was something I thought Ent did really well in season 1 after getting hit by the mines they have the follow up being after a long trip to the space station where they got repaired.

You don't have to do it every time Voyager gets its arse handed to it but once in a while to acknowledge it, maybe top up some torpedoes, patch up a shuttle

 

[JR TREK]

Year of Hell: The Series.

I don't think they needed that. Everybody knows that going to the wormhole would be too risky anyway, simply because of the Dominion. And the wormhole might not even be there anymore...

Wasn't it later in the series that Voyager found out about the Dominion? It's been a while since I've watched Voyager but I recall them finding out about the Dominion invasion of the Alpha Quadrant after Seven took over the Hirogen's communication network.

I kind of like the idea of Voyager heading for the wormhole to avoid the Borg, only to run into the Dominion as hostilities with the Federation erupt. Voyager could have done the Borg-Dominion War that many have have speculated about. It would have made Species 8472 extraneous, but they fizzled out after Scorpion anyway.

 

[Farscape One]

Voyager was lost about 6 months after the destruction of the Odyssey, so it's very possible Janeway was aware of the rising tensions with the Dominion and decided it was a bad idea.

After The Doctor found out about the Dominion War in "MESSAGE IN A BOTTLE", it was clear she made the right call.

 

[Anwar]

Wasn't it later in the series that Voyager found out about the Dominion? It's been a while since I've watched Voyager but I recall them finding out about the Dominion invasion of the Alpha Quadrant after Seven took over the Hirogen's communication network.

I kind of like the idea of Voyager heading for the wormhole to avoid the Borg, only to run into the Dominion as hostilities with the Federation erupt. Voyager could have done the Borg-Dominion War that many have have speculated about. It would have made Species 8472 extraneous, but they fizzled out after Scorpion anyway.

The Gamma Quadrant end of the Wormhole was as far away from Voyager as the Alpha Quadrant was. So there was little point in going that way.

 

[Anwar]

But at least that reset button would make sense.

The ship should NOT have been pristine right after "DEADLOCK", particularly when essentially no time passed by.

Remember, Voyager got stuck with an audience so petulant that they even hated "Living Witness" and only cared about the "Hologram Backup" thing instead of anything else in the episode.

IE, they'd hate that Voyager found a place to do repairs and hate that there was a timeskip and demand that the damage last for the rest of the series and never ever get repaired.

 

[at Quark's]

Voyager was lost about 6 months after the destruction of the Odyssey, so it's very possible Janeway was aware of the rising tensions with the Dominion and decided it was a bad idea.

After The Doctor found out about the Dominion War in "MESSAGE IN A BOTTLE", it was clear she made the right call.

The EMH seemed to have never even have heard of them in the first place (-EMH2: 'No, the Romulans haven't gotten involved in our fight with the Dominion' -EMH1: 'The who'?), but that doesn't say everything. That information probably simply wasn't included in his database.

 

[JR TREK]

Voyager was lost about 6 months after the destruction of the Odyssey, so it's very possible Janeway was aware of the rising tensions with the Dominion and decided it was a bad idea.

After The Doctor found out about the Dominion War in "MESSAGE IN A BOTTLE", it was clear she made the right call.

Huh, I thought Voyager was lost way before the Odyssey was destroyed. How long was it between the destruction of the Odyssey and the Dominion invasion of the Alpha Quadrant? How long was it after the destruction of the Odyssey and the Dominion's next appearance? Or the Romulan/Cardassian attempt at wiping out the Founders in the Gamma Quadrant?

If Voyager was lost six months after the Odyssey, it seems like Janeway should have mentioned the Dominion more than once in the first season.

As for whether Janeway made the right call or not, if I have to choose between the Dominion and the Borg I'll take the Dominion every time. Gul Dukat went longer without being turned into a cyborg zombie than Janeway or Picard did.

The Gamma Quadrant end of the Wormhole was as far away from Voyager as the Alpha Quadrant was. So there was little point in going that way.

Since we're fantasizing about what Voyager could have been, the writers could have put the Caretaker array closer to the wormhole. Or straight up in Dominion space. The Dominion would have made a more interesting foe than the Kazon. I can understand the desire to do something fresh, but "trapped behind enemy lines" isn't a bad angle.

 

[fireproof78]

Remember, Voyager got stuck with an audience so petulant that they even hated "Living Witness" and only cared about the "Hologram Backup" thing instead of anything else in the episode.

IE, they'd hate that Voyager found a place to do repairs and hate that there was a timeskip and demand that the damage last for the rest of the series and never ever get repaired.

Is anyone here arguing this?