Not me. I loved the Enterprise episode where they actually had to fix their ship. And the part of Voyager where they landed the ship and made major repairs. I didn't care so much for the way the "Defiant" came back in DS9. Maybe Defiant-b could have been an Akira class.
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The ones who think "Year of Hell" should've been the entire series.
IE, no repairing anything ever and no way for injured people to recover from their injuries.
Who is arguing this here and now?
This has probably already been said, but I wonder how different the show would have been if Janeway hadn’t been partly culpable for stranding the ship in the first place. Couldn’t we just perceive a female captain as being victimized, rather than complicit in her own demise (and the entire crew’s)? Did the writers need to make guilt or poor judgment a defining part of her character?
Related quibble – “The Caretaker” is a total misnomer.
I felt Janeway was mostly well written, and Mulgrew was superb throughout, but the first episode always bugged me.
Related quibble – “The Caretaker” is a total misnomer.
I felt Janeway was mostly well written, and Mulgrew was superb throughout, but the first episode always bugged me.
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I would've done a "What If?" episode that showed that if they'd used the Array to go home, it would've failed anyways, destroyed the ship and killed the crew.
The show being "Year of Hell, the series" was suggested earlier.
Sorry, but you can't do that for 7 years straight.
NuBSG, the "gold standard"? It fell apart after 2 seasons because of this and had a truly garbage ending because of it.
That doesn't mean no repair ever. What a ridiculous hyperbolic strawman.
Also ridiculous. NuBSG isn't a gold standard for anything.
I tend to agree that NuBSG fell apart after the first two seasons. I also think that VOY gets somewhat unfairly compared to NuBSG mostly because RDM was a Trek writer. The two premises have similarities but BSG was a very dark show showing us the genocide of the human race and the survivors being hunted and killed mercilessly by the Cylons. VOY was never going to be that dark because Trek was never that gritty back then, later DS9 not withstanding, but even that wasn't like the dark gloom of today's television. When I was younger I thought I wanted that NuBSG grittiness in my Trek, but I was an angsty teenager. Now that we've gotten it in DSC and PIC and I'm an adult, knowing how much the "real" world sucks, I kinda wish we hadn't. I like my hopeful vision of the future Trek better I guess. To each their own.
NuBSG had a lot of cheats too. It had tons of ships in the fleet to always be working on whatever they needed without elaboration, and tons of nameless faceless extras to kill off without harming the Galactica crew.
Meanwhile Voyager can't stop at an alien commerce planet for repairs or maintenance or resupply without getting the stink eye.
It does. They couldn't do repairs in YoH, so YoH the series means no repairs the entire run of the series.
Meanwhile Voyager can't stop at an alien commerce planet for repairs or maintenance or resupply without getting the stink eye.
It does. They couldn't do repairs in YoH, so YoH the series means no repairs the entire run of the series.
Caretaker could also refer to Janeway's responsibility to the Starfleet and Maquis crew to get them home
It doesn't. Assuming much with this strawman. Why not ask the person who posted what they meant?
I agree. I've watched so much old Star Trek over the last two years because it's so hopeful and happy.
That's an interesting idea. I felt they left that idea behind after "Cold Fire", but actually there's no reason they couldn't have met more of the Caretaker's species.
Because when you give them a "Logical Expansion" on their idea, they'll realize the idea needs work to begin with. Like "7 Seasons of Hell".
Anyways, the Female Caretaker should've been the overall villain of the entire series. Not a one-off. IIRC the reason they brought her in was because the writers figured they'd use her to end the show early because they didn't think 7 years of a Lost Ship was a good idea.
They were RIGHT, but still failed to do anything with her.
I would love to see more of those alien species.
I like the idea of shows book-ending. The Caretaker is what initially brought them there and set up the series and I think it should've gone back to that to conclude it in some way.
I've been casually re-watching the show and I have to say; I just don't think the series is that good; particularly when it reaches the last three seasons. The acting by the guest stars is absolutely awful and the low-budget-ness of it just seems far more apparent by this point.
The show plays is much too safe. They could have taken some huge risks by the premise alone.
I think a big reason VOYAGER is not better than it should be was the suits at UPN. I really enjoy the show, but network interference is pretty apparent throughout its run.
Frankly, it's a credit to the actors and the writers (yes, I am giving them some praise because they did write some really good material at times) that it is not a bad show.
(To elaborate about the writers: there were some really great concepts and stories done. The problem was inconsistency and lack of arcs. Of all the shows in the franchise, DS9 included, VOYAGER was the one that most screamed for arcs. A single Starfleet ship alone in a completely unknown quadrant... there should have been a LOT more arcs. We did get a few character arcs... The Doctor and Seven's respective internal journeys, Tom and B'Elanna... but there should have been more, especially with a ship of only 150 people who aren't going anywhere else.
And many of their concepts were fantastic... Vidiians, "THE THAW", Tuvix, the Krenim weapon ship, Vaadwaur, "BLINK OF AN EYE", Hirogen, "MEMORIAL", and many more. Even some of their worst episodes have a great concept rooted in it: Chaotic Space ("THE FIGHT"), the Taresians ("FAVORITE SON"), a sentient twisting phenomenon ("TWISTED"), breaking the warp 10 barrier ("THRESHOLD"). I can't put the full blame on the writers because they clearly have shown they had the ability to give us good material.)
Frankly, it's a credit to the actors and the writers (yes, I am giving them some praise because they did write some really good material at times) that it is not a bad show.
(To elaborate about the writers: there were some really great concepts and stories done. The problem was inconsistency and lack of arcs. Of all the shows in the franchise, DS9 included, VOYAGER was the one that most screamed for arcs. A single Starfleet ship alone in a completely unknown quadrant... there should have been a LOT more arcs. We did get a few character arcs... The Doctor and Seven's respective internal journeys, Tom and B'Elanna... but there should have been more, especially with a ship of only 150 people who aren't going anywhere else.
And many of their concepts were fantastic... Vidiians, "THE THAW", Tuvix, the Krenim weapon ship, Vaadwaur, "BLINK OF AN EYE", Hirogen, "MEMORIAL", and many more. Even some of their worst episodes have a great concept rooted in it: Chaotic Space ("THE FIGHT"), the Taresians ("FAVORITE SON"), a sentient twisting phenomenon ("TWISTED"), breaking the warp 10 barrier ("THRESHOLD"). I can't put the full blame on the writers because they clearly have shown they had the ability to give us good material.)
But then Voyager wouldn't be TNG 2.0.
It's interesting hearing Wang and McNeil complain about lack of continuity while rewatching and reviewing the whole series.
The show makes a massive shift the moment Seven comes aboard and it's not just due to the new character, but, everything that seemed important prior was never an issue again. They make a concerted effort in the first few seasons about conserving power and to not quickly use up all their resources. While I know this can potentially bog the series down and become problematic, it essentially gets swept under the rug and forgotten about.
Voyager played with some interesting ideas in i ts second season. I thought the episode Alliances was a fantastic example of what the show could truly be. Just the whole idea of being a long Federation starship in an area of space that doesn't have many rules was very interesting to me. Given that Starfleet and the Federation have no influence in that area of space, can a single ship truly prosper by abiding by their principles?
The series needed an interesting and original villain. I thought the Vidians were the most original idea they had and should have appeared more often. It often felt like the use of the Borg was something they were just resorting to because they were familiar and fans liked them.
Voyager played with some interesting ideas in i ts second season. I thought the episode Alliances was a fantastic example of what the show could truly be. Just the whole idea of being a long Federation starship in an area of space that doesn't have many rules was very interesting to me. Given that Starfleet and the Federation have no influence in that area of space, can a single ship truly prosper by abiding by their principles?
The series needed an interesting and original villain. I thought the Vidians were the most original idea they had and should have appeared more often. It often felt like the use of the Borg was something they were just resorting to because they were familiar and fans liked them.
While I agree that the ship looked too pristine sometimes (especially the first few seasons, when they were near constantly under attack by the Kazon, they simply couldn't always have found the time or the right facilities to patch their ship up to spanking new every time) - ramping the damage up to Year of Hell levels would have been too extreme for me. 7 years of that would have been depressing as hell, I think.
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