How would the look of TOS have adapted to the 1970s?

[Mudd]

They're shamelessly imitative of the TNG credits. Wanted to get the long list of actors in there. Most of them probably wouldn't actually have appeared in the opening credits, as most were not offered season-long contracts for Phase II.

Also, I know Decker was never cast for the series, I know.

 

[Phoenix219]

Honestly, I think it would have started looking cheaper and even cheesier during the 70s, and done a lot more "experimental" stuff. It could have produced some cool stuff, but my guess is it would have been mixed in with a lot of cheap junk.

 

[Warped9]

What I found interesting when watching Mission: Impossible all the way through last year was that there wasn't a gradual shift from the 60's to the 70's style, the new decade suddenly hit the show like a brick wall with very little transition in its fourth season (or the one after Trek finished), to the point that it almost feels like a drastically different show stylistically. One that can only be called "Funky". Considering they were stablemates I'd have expected a tonal shift for Trek as well, at the very least musically.

One thing to note is that, whilst proper 70's haircuts might not have met real life military regulations it's fair to say that soldiers almost never had the right haircuts in 1970's film and TV because of actors being unwilling to trim. The New Avengers episode Dirtier by the Dozen has many fine examples, as does any Doctor Who UNIT story not directed by Douglas Camfield.

Except M:I was depicting a then contemporary setting rather than a far future one.

 

[Kor]

M*A*S*H ostensibly depicted a military setting twenty years prior, but it depicted guys in the army having shaggy seventies civilian hair instead of regulation buzzcuts, or even typical fifties civilian haircuts.

Kor

 

[Maurice]

M*A*S*H was about Vietman, despite what they said.

And, yes, I agree that anything done for Star Trek [Phase] II would be no clue as to what a 4th or 5th season of TOS would have looked like, as the former was being designed 6 years after a TOS 5th season woulda ended. The show wouldn't have had the budget to massively redesign anything major. Haircuts, guest costumes, maybe some uniforms. Cinematography maybe.

I for one would love to know more about what Star Trek [Phase] II woulda looked like, but I think that's a different topic.

 

[Warped9]

I'm probably in the minority of not really caring for the Phase II refit design. I much prefer MJ's TOS design as well as the TMP refit. In particular I don't care for the Phase II nacelles and support pylons. The TOS or TMP designs look well integrated in of themselves while the Phase II version looks, to me, like an incomplete conceptual exercise.

 

[alensatemybuick]

I think we tend to prefer what we are familiar with. If the Enterprise from TOS or TMP looked different back in the day, they would probably still be the standards we'd hold everything else to.

As for Shaw thinking many people here would prefer to make silly jokes or speculate wildly, that may be a truism for forums, but then there will always be those who'd actually like to see that "accurate" view. Please indulge us!

 

[Warped9]

I think we tend to prefer what we are familiar with. If the Enterprise from TOS or TMP looked different back in the day, they would probably still be the standards we'd hold everything else to.

But the fact is the TOS design came first and it was an excellent piece of work. The Phase II refit tries to modify that design but not in a successful way, in my opinion. And we did get to see some of it in publications like Starlog magazine long before we got to see the TMP design on the big screen.

I also clearly recall being quite ambivalent over what I was seeing back in the day when images of the Phase II version appeared in publications. For me the TMP refit was a relief even if later I found it hard to reconcile as the same ship we saw in TOS. One just had to learn how to squint.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Still, Andy Griffith and Marjoe Gortner in a Star Trek episode would have been great!

Will you settle for this?
http://www.metv.com/videos/boldly-go-to-mayberry-weeknights-at-8pm-7c

 

[Nebusj]

My vision of what Early 70s Trek would have looked like is heavily influenced by Quark. Some of the sets and costumes look perfect for a lost episode.

 

[alensatemybuick]

Will you settle for this?
http://www.metv.com/videos/boldly-go-to-mayberry-weeknights-at-8pm-7c

I assume the makers of that MeTV spot were aware (and that it is common knowledge here as well) that the outdoor NYC scenes in "City on the Edge of Forever" were filmed on the Mayberry set?

 

[Drone]

Like this: http://ottens.co.uk/forgottentrek/designing-the-twenty-third-century-anew/

That's quite a full sized barcalounger for the captain. If I were on the bridge, I'd be somewhat concerned that he/she might be likely to nod off rather easily. Perfect function for the yeoman. They are the ones that are charged with waking the captain up, with some extra latitude for brusqueness when the ship might be preparing for battle or entering the Barrier. Although not a real close resemblance in play, for some reason it reminds of Number 2's mod model of repose!!!!

This isn't an easy question to answer.

If the show had continued I don't think we would have seen any dramatic changes in the overall look of the show. That would have simply been money wasted.
In terms of hairstyles I think we already have an idea right in third season TOS. The cast was wearing their hair just a tad longer and fuller, but not drastically so. Not everyone in that time (in the real world) was instantly wearing long hair. And the show was not meant to reflect then contemporary fashions (beyond the miniskirt) as it was trying to depict a fictional future setting.

Flash forward to TMP and we can see that Shatner and Nichols are sporting the most drastic changes in hairstyles, and yet they still fit neatly into the overall Starfleet look.

Now if Phase II had actually happened we have glimpses in some of the sets and models built before TMP. And the hairstyles would probably have been like those seen on TMP.

Finally if TOS had been conceived in the 1970s then it becomes much more speculative. There's not just the influence of Forbidden Planet and other SF of the 1950s and early '60s, but also the SF of the late '60s and early '70s including 2001: A Space Odyssey and Planet Of The Apes that could have played an influence.

So would play Dr. Zaius, Spock or McCoy?

 

[Shawnster]

Will you settle for this?
http://www.metv.com/videos/boldly-go-to-mayberry-weeknights-at-8pm-7c

So full of win!

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Except that something developed anew in the late seventies would not have looked exactly like something that carried over from the late sixties to the early seventies.

Precisely. I don't know why this concept seems to be so difficult for some people in this thread to grasp.

But like I said, no point wasting my time when accurate information is neither wanted nor desired in this thread.

This is about the third time you've tried to fall on your sword to bemoan that this thread isn't about exactly what you want to talk about, Shaw. You're perfectly welcome to start your own thread about Phase II if you want to talk about it so badly. It's off-topic for this thread. I refuse to apologize for asking people to stay on topic.

M*A*S*H ostensibly depicted a military setting twenty years prior, but it depicted guys in the army having shaggy seventies civilian hair instead of regulation buzzcuts, or even typical fifties civilian haircuts.

That's particularly true in the original pilot of M*A*S*H. I'm sure the actors didn't want to bother with cutting their hair if they weren't positive that the show was going to sell.

 

[Shaw]

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Ummm... why are you addressing me?

I wasn't talking to you or with you... if you want the thread to stay on topic, then YOU should stay on topic.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Ummm... why are you addressing me?

Because since I've started this thread, you've tried to steer it over to discussing Phase II multiple times, and then bemoaned that we weren't talking about it each time I've told you that it's off-topic, and announced that you're done with the thread.

And then, a few comments later, you do it again. Is it any wonder I've gotten sick of it?

 

[Shaw]

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Lets be clear... I posted an offer to share Phase II info, you said it was not what the thread was about, I said that then there wasn't any reason to waste my effort on sharing. RAMA quoted me and I responded. You quoted my response to him (which had absolutely nothing to do with you in any way, shape or form).

And now you post some fictional account of what happened? If you can't get the fact straight, stop posting... or better yet, stick to the topic!

 

[T'Bonz]

OK, knock it off guys. Not in the humor for this.

 

[Antonovus]

The Enterprise bridge with orange shag carpeting. Yes, it would have been a wonderful thing.

 

[Jonno1971]

One thing ive always wondered about is why men in their 40s and 50s back in the 1970s followed fashions so faithfully when it came to big hair and wearing flared trousers. I'm sure i can't think of any dramatic change in fashion that's happened since where this has happened. It's like trying to imagine 45 year old men in 2016 wearing their hair like Justin Bieber.