How would a T-800 try to track down hiding Targets?

[DWMarch]

And even then, it only means that Skynet is abandoning the timeline it was born in to til fresh fields that "belong" to a different Skynet who might be seriously pissed off by the meddling.

I can't remember where I read it but this might be a plot point in the next two Terminator movies. When the T-5000 says "I've traveled a long way to get here..." there seems to be an implication that he is talking about jumping from timeline to timeline. Different timelines are well established already - John's introduction to Kyle is completely different in T5 from how it went in T4.

As Cromartie (in another completely different timeline) said, we'll see.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yup. That was cited as a fact a while back in this thread because one of the writers (in an interview) was apologizing for being too vague with their product, now that the sequels seem less likely.

Thoughts I had while walking to lunch this afternoon.

1. If arriving in history instantly rewrites the present as it stood where you left, then it should have been impossible for Skynet to send three Terminators (one at a time) and more impossible for Kyle to follow the Terminators and even further more impossible for Kyle's crew to blow up the temporal complex after he left for 1984, if the immanent paradox should have caused this 2027 (whatever!) to stroke out.

2. Skynet faked sending a Terminator back. The T-800 in 1984 that Kyle met and fought was from an earlier different timeline that dissolved the moment it back stepped, and Kyle's Skynet wanted it dead. Either Kyle's Skynet was trying to save humanity because it was having cold feet at the 11th hour, or Skynet was tricking Kyle into fighting an earlier timelines Skynet for it, but that would most probably mean that there was a third front in the war that humans were two dumb to notice. There had always been two Skynets (or in this curent renovation of timeline there were two Skynets.) but all that would do is create a third renovation forcing the Skynet in charge of the temporal skynet to commit suicide... Although John Connor had already killed that Skynet, so it's story was over, but it's safer to send a human back with bad intelligence, rather than to send a Terminator back because that only creates more Skynets and a more fractal AI civil war.

3. There's an information buffer on the transmitter. No one was sent back in time until the buffer was full. 2 T-800s, a T-1000 and Kyle. Zip-zip-woosh! The present started changing after the buffer was unloaded and all the time travellers from the first two movies were sent back to their prospective temporal co-ordinates.

4. Temporal null field. Changes to the timeline sop when it his the temporal shielding keeping the Temporal Complex static from reality editing, despite have the wrong history and wrong future forever so long as the shield/field holds. A Faraday Cage for time if you will.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

And even then, it only means that Skynet is abandoning the timeline it was born in to til fresh fields that "belong" to a different Skynet who might be seriously pissed off by the meddling.

I can't remember where I read it but this might be a plot point in the next two Terminator movies. When the T-5000 says "I've traveled a long way to get here..." there seems to be an implication that he is talking about jumping from timeline to timeline. Different timelines are well established already - John's introduction to Kyle is completely different in T5 from how it went in T4.

As Cromartie (in another completely different timeline) said, we'll see.

But are we ever going to see those next movies? IIRC, Genisys didn't do too well at the box office. Are its sequels still on track to be made?

 

[DWMarch]

But are we ever going to see those next movies? IIRC, Genisys didn't do too well at the box office. Are its sequels still on track to be made?

Just going by Wiki here but it looks like Genisys made money when the overseas box office is factored in. The rights to the Terminator franchise revert back to James Cameron in 2019. Arnie is on board for at least one more movie. So it's really now or never. I haven't heard anything about pre-production yet but the next movie isn't due until 2017.

 

[sojourner]

1. build duck blind and get inside.
2. use genuine patented ACME Sarah Connor duck call
3. wait.
4. repeat steps 2 and 3 until desired effect is achieved.
5. $$$

 

[Guy Gardener]

Madonna Blind?

 

[DWMarch]

I was rewatching Genisys tonight and I found a specific reference to alternate timelines. Near the end when John is beating on Pops he says "You're nothing but a relic from a deleted timeline." So there we have it. Sophisticated Skynet is at war with Big Dumb Skynet but they forget that BDS almost won the war.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yes, John said that, but teenage Skynet also said that he personally had already been Mat Smith and assimilated John Connor, which is just a clusterfuck of error alerts. Unless of course John copied across his own software to invent baby Skynet and skynet cannot distinguish itself transtemporally? Or it respects predestination as fact? Everything I will do, I already will have done.

The timeline survived the first T-800 being sent back and didn't delete.

The Timeline then survived Kyle being sent back and didn't delete.

Or at least the time line survived long enough for Mat Smith Skynet to Assimilate John Connor and then send John back to 2014.

So unless a timeline doesn't delete unless three people are sent back (That's an Austin Powers joke almost.), it's more than possible that John was just ####ing with Pops.

The odd thing I found was, why was John's death so traumatizing to time if that was the end of Johns "loop"? After he sent dad back to knock up mum, he was home free and clear no more predestinaiton causality bunk to worry about (that we were aware of).

 

[DWMarch]

I think the timeline deleted when Kyle and Sarah jumped forward in time. No West Hollywood police station shootout, no Sarah at Pescadero, no John Connor being raised by foster parents. This raises issues of its own, such as what is the effect of John Connor being born thirty two years later than he was supposed to be born? Or do they bother at all since they think they've stopped Skynet? Does it matter because the T-5000 will just jump in from some other timeline and bootstrap Skynet anyway? Hopefully if the next two movies are made they'll address some of these issues.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Deleted, diverged or replaced?

The police station shootout in 1984 became impossible in 1973 when Pops "adopted" Sarah.

The 2027 that was generated from a timeline where Pops rescued Sarah could never have looked like the original movie.

Kyle must have moved diagonally through time to a parallel time that was not his past.