How to fix the holographic displays in Picard

[fireproof78]

The reality is, you and the handful of people complaining are more interested in the knee jerk of not having a standard and familiar LCARS all the time, and hate anything new.

It does feel that way yes.

Personally I liked having a few familiar scenes with LCARS as a throwback and then moving the fuck on with a 2020 update. I don't know, that seems logical to me.

To me the holographic interfaces feel like a logical extention of technology preexisting in the world of Star Trek. We have seen 3d projections of information before, and this is just the next step in that technology evolution.

Now, is it for everyone? Um, no. I recall being ecstatic for smart boards and projected keyboards. My college computer science teacher loathed them with every fiber of his being. He couldn't imagine using them at all. He dubbed them "impractical." Yet, the tech remained and has different applications.

The thing about Star Trek is that I fully expect such displays to be customizable. So, if this is preferred by these characters who operated with this technology then why not? Rios clearly has no issue with piloting his ship that way.

"But it looks stupid!" So do the TOS keyboards. Or LCARS with that incessant scrolling text. Very little labeling and a lot of expectation that those assigned to that ship will know how to use it. That's a pretty steep learning curve if you ask me. And looks kind of stupid.

 

[The Old Mixer]

agreed they are dumb and impractical. Imagine having large vehicles like jets with holo buttons and displays. It’s isn’t practical and it’s frankly distracting. So they are see through so you can have them in front of your face while in a battle and waving your hands in front of your face while moving the displays around? How are these superior to the flat paneled displays that tng had? How is this an advancement?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-up_display

 

[The Old Mixer]

In the real world in the past few months, we have witnessed a pathological narcissist president get over 150,000 of his own people killed by a pandemic virus by choosing to put his head in the sand instead of mobilize the resources of his country to employ the tactics of disease control that have effectively suppressed the virus in other countries. We have witnessed a vast political movement so tribalistic in its thinking that it has backed that president up instead of calling him to task, to the point where a commonsense, nonpartisan public health measure like wearing a mask has become politicized and a subject of controversy. We have witnessed law enforcement agencies throughout the country engage in vastly disproportionate, unjustified violence against racial minorities, and we have seen those same agencies react with terrible repressive violence against activists nonviolently demanding reform. We have witnessed our government's commitment to an economic ideology drive them to start pressuring people to end quarantine and sequestration in spite of the demonstrated track record these policies have of increasing infection rates and death rates. Throughout the world today, regressive politics and outright fascism are on the rise; political and economic institutions are refusing the kinds of reforms necessary to protect the environment and prevent catastrophic rises in carbon emissions to the atmosphere; racial and ethnic wars routinely break out; numerous mental health problems go untreated due to lack of resources; numerous physical health problems go untreated due to lack of resources; millions of people die prematurely due to poverty and starvation; human trafficking and pedophilia are widespread; etc. etc. etc.

None of these problems are present in PIC. People in PIC may not be perfect, and may even make self-destructive choices due to pride, but the idea that they're "worse" than people today is just flat-out false. You either have no idea what you're talking about or you're deliberately spouting bullshit to waste everyone else's time.

As it doesn’t seem to have derailed the thread, I’m going to give a pass to this huge, overindulgent dump of hot-button issues that belong in Misc or TNZ.

 

[TRON JA307020]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-up_display

that’s a read out display. They’ve been on jets for years. You really don’t think they control the plane with that do you?

 

[The Old Mixer]

that’s a read out display. They’ve been on jets for years.

Imagine having large vehicles like jets with holo buttons and displays. It’s isn’t practical and it’s frankly distracting. So they are see through so you can have them in front of your face while in a battle and waving your hands in front of your face while moving the displays around?

You were complaining about the display features, not just about the controls.

You really don’t think they maneuver the plane with that do you?

Don't get personal. If you can't argue a point in a civil, respectful tone, get out of this forum.

 

[TRON JA307020]

You were complaining about the display features, not just about the controls.

Don't get personal. If you can't argue a point in a civil, respectful tone, get out of this forum.

We have been talking about systems that actually control the vehicle. HUD displays are totally different

 

[F. King Daniel]

"But it looks stupid!" So do the TOS keyboards.

Back in the 70's or 80's, Michael McMaster made a blueprint set for the TOS bridge, with the function of every single button. To say it's an impractical operating system is an understatement

Props to him for trying though.

 

[darrenjl]

I blame Minority Report!

Honestly though I don't mind the holographic screens, it's a natural extension of what we have today. However, it's having them at front on to the user that annoys me; who is going to work like that for 9 hours a day in reality? It's why we have desks.

 

[Llywela]

I blame Minority Report!

Honestly though I don't mind the holographic screens, it's a natural extension of what we have today. However, it's having them at front on to the user that annoys me; who is going to work like that for 9 hours a day in reality? It's why we have desks.

We saw no evidence whatsoever of the holo controls being in continual use for nine hours at a stretch. They were activated when needed and de-activated when not in use.

 

[TRON JA307020]

We saw no evidence whatsoever of the holo controls being in continual use for nine hours at a stretch. They were activated when needed and de-activated when not in use.

I guess Picard felt it necessary to use them the whole battle. He looked constipated the entire time.

 

[Llywela]

I guess Picard felt it necessary to use them the whole battle. He looked constipated the entire time.

a) The battle did not last for nine hours. It was over in minutes.
b) Picard was supposed to look awkward using those controls, because he has been out of service for years and is not familiar with the interface.

 

[darrenjl]

Still, the idea that one sits in a chair with ones arms up unsupported in the air is not a positive UX, even for a few minutes. It's not the hologram I have the problem with, it's the experience of using them that doesn't chime with me in terms of actual human behaviour. It would be more user-friendly to have the hologram angled, like the touch screen LCARS system, with some kind of arm support for the elbows or palms to rest on, like a laptop keyboard.

 

[RAMA]

Hypothetically, advanced tech from the near future or especially in the late 24th century, should not require lots of aggressive inputs (though it looks good in movies and TV) due to AI and automation and should not need you to spend hours with your arms in the air.

RAMA

Still, the idea that one sits in a chair with ones arms up unsupported in the air is not a positive UX, even for a few minutes. It's not the hologram I have the problem with, it's the experience of using them that doesn't chime with me in terms of actual human behaviour. It would be more user-friendly to have the hologram angled, like the touch screen LCARS system, with some kind of arm support for the elbows or palms to rest on, like a laptop keyboard.

 

[fireproof78]

Still, the idea that one sits in a chair with ones arms up unsupported in the air is not a positive UX, even for a few minutes. It's not the hologram I have the problem with, it's the experience of using them that doesn't chime with me in terms of actual human behaviour. It would be more user-friendly to have the hologram angled, like the touch screen LCARS system, with some kind of arm support for the elbows or palms to rest on, like a laptop keyboard.

It's just Rios' own preference.

 

[Dukhat]

I guess Picard felt it necessary to use them the whole battle. He looked constipated the entire time.

You try flying a spacecraft that you have no familiarity with and let’s see the expression on your face.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Still, the idea that one sits in a chair with ones arms up unsupported in the air is not a positive UX, even for a few minutes. It's not the hologram I have the problem with, it's the experience of using them that doesn't chime with me in terms of actual human behaviour. It would be more user-friendly to have the hologram angled, like the touch screen LCARS system, with some kind of arm support for the elbows or palms to rest on, like a laptop keyboard.

Exactly. But I guess the producers think waving your hands around looks cooler. Ever since the iron man movies the holo air touch screen special effect has truly become overdone and boring. Trek tech always had a certain charm to it but now it looks like everything else in movies and tv. Boring.

 

[fireproof78]

Good, glad its boring. I hope tech becomes more boring just like Star Trek

 

[Dukhat]

Exactly. But I guess the producers think waving your hands around looks cooler. Ever since the iron man movies the holo air touch screen special effect has truly become overdone and boring. Trek tech always had a certain charm to it but now it looks like everything else in movies and tv. Boring.

And yet, somehow, I bet it won’t stop you from watching season 2.

 

[fireproof78]

And yet, somehow, I bet it won’t stop you from watching season 2.

I mean, who wouldn't want to miss out on something boring! Certainly not I!

 

[The Old Mixer]

In a world with force fields, gravity control, and tactile holograms, do we know that their arms are unsupported?