How old was Spock when he died?

[Nerys Myk]

Okay, but I don't get what's being argued now. There were all sorts of inconsistencies in lore in S1, right up to the name of the organization to which the Enterprise belonged. But it's pretty inarguable that Spock was the First Officer at some point during the series. So for a JJ-Verse production to show him as "second officer of the [original] Enterprise" in a graphic dating from long after he left Starfleet is just rank stupidity an/or carelessness and not emblematic of a group that gave a damn about Star Trek. Sorry if I'm offending JJ fans, but I'm just over those three films and everything about them.

Or someone made a mistake.

 

[fireproof78]

Or someone made a mistake.

This is Star Trek; we don't make mistakes.

 

[Henoch]

This is Star Trek; we don't make mistakes.

But they do lie, a lot.

 

[Ssosmcin]

That's been debated forever and the typical explanation is that Spock had not yet filled Mitchell's vacant position.

Now do the other 40-50 eps where Spock is referred to as the first officer.

Well that assumes Mitchell was the first officer, which isn't even hinted at in the pilot. DC Comics to put that thought in my brain back in the 80's and it's a fun idea, but has no real merit.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

Well that assumes Mitchell was the first officer, which isn't even hinted at in the pilot. DC Comics to put that thought in my brain back in the 80's and it's a fun idea, but has no real merit.

Yes. And since when does the First Officer of a starship have to double as Kirk's chauffeur on the bridge? I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it looks like Mitchell is closer in rank to where Sulu was, from Corbomite on.

Edit: that isn't right. Mitchell is a Lt. Commander. Whoops.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

Is it possible that Spock and Mitchell were both First Officers of their respective departments - Spock being First Officer of the Science Department and Mitchell the First Officer of the Navigation Department. Spock being the overall Second Officer.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Is it possible that Spock and Mitchell were both First Officers of their respective departments - Spock being First Officer of the Science Department and Mitchell the First Officer of the Navigation Department. Spock being the overall Second Officer.

Well Mitchell was the helmsman, not the navigator, if that makes a difference.

Not saying Mitchell isn't the head of whatever department, but the idea is that he is Kirk's first officer in WNMHGB - which we have no evidence of. It absolutely would have been mentioned somewhere, it's important to the entire command structure if the Exec is suddenly turned into a god and the captain has to kill him at the end. He is really just Kirk's old friend who is steering the ship. Anything more than that is fan conjecture.

Regardless of weird lines early on that we're discussing, Spock if the first officer (the exec) of the Enterprise under Kirk's command. There wasn't any promotion mentioned and the only real possible change was Spock going from Lt. Commander to full commander as the series went on (congrats Spock). As the second lead in the series, Nimoy once past The Cage, isn't portraying some officer a few notches down. He's filling the role of first officer. He's Kirk's confidant, giving him the hard facts and barking communications.