Poll How many season of Discovery will be produced

[gblews]

Because as long as Discovery is seen as successful (and that's arguable, but I'll assume it for this thread), we're never going to get an actual real Star Trek series again. CBS has thrown Star Trek under a bus; IMO, they are using this show to deliberately vandalise it. And to me, that's terribly sad.

I can't just write Discovery off as "not my thing", sorry. I've tried. The show makes me use phrases like "raped my childhood" unironically for the first time ever. I wish it nothing but failure.

Well, here's your problem; DSC isn't just "seen" as successful, it actually is successful, as in being the primary driver of CBSAA, Netflix (and others), subscriptions. That being the case, all things being equal, and barring some drastic change, it isn't unlikely that DSC will also get a third season. That is how successful the show has, and likely will continue to be, considering the good word of mouth.

All of the aforementioned does not bode well for another TNG/DS9/Voy/Ent style Trek show, which is what it sounds like you may want. I doubt that a spinoff (which may occur once CBS sees the number who unsub after Jan '18) of DSC will look very much different from DSC. That's just the way TV networks operate. So, it might be that the ship you're waiting for has already sailed.

The franchise is moving forward and naturally that means leaving some fans behind.

 

[Ronald Held]

Could create mega-thread on what is and is not Star Trek". IMO money making is more important to CBS than Canon violations of those b>~%<>% over at Trekbbs complaining over trivia.
A real question might be: after the JJ movies and the DSC run, will we ever get "Star Trek" again.

 

[Graham]

Well, here's your problem; DSC isn't just "seen" as successful, it actually is successful

As I said, I'm willing to grant that premise for the purpose of the thread. So no argument there.

But I will say that "success" is a rather fuzzily defined term. So there's that.

 

[Graham]

A real question might be: after the JJ movies and the DSC run, will we ever get "Star Trek" again.

One can only hope. In film or television, I would guess not. Except for fan productions, of course, but CBS currently has a downer on that idea.

There's always the novelverse for fans of RealTrek.

And of course... there is The Orville. A shining light amid the darkness.

 

[Vger23]

One can only hope. In film or television, I would guess not. Except for fan productions, of course, but CBS currently has a downer on that idea.

There's always the novelverse for fans of RealTrek.

And of course... there is The Orville. A shining light amid the darkness.

Why are you so intent on instigating a conflict on this topic? If you don't like DSC, what is the ultimate point of spending your time in a sub-forum completely dedicated to the series? Why not spend your time having lively, happy discussion in the many other forums dedicated to RealTrek and simply avoid the forum dedicated to FakeTrek?

Re-iterating over and over again that you aren't "looking for a fight" while you insult a series that you apparently have disdain for in a forum for fans of that series is...counterintuitive at best and "looking for a fight" at worst.

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[fireproof78]

One can only hope. In film or television, I would guess not. Except for fan productions, of course, but CBS currently has a downer on that idea.

There's always the novelverse for fans of RealTrek.

And of course... there is The Orville. A shining light amid the darkness.

Could create mega-thread on what is and is not Star Trek". IMO money making is more important to CBS than Canon violations of those b>~%<>% over at Trekbbs complaining over trivia.
A real question might be: after the JJ movies and the DSC run, will we ever get "Star Trek" again.

 

[Graham]

Why are you so intent on instigating a conflict on this topic?

I'm not. In fact I've declined to engage in a conflict.

But my opinion is my opinion and I don't hold back from stating my opinions. To state an opinion that another person disagrees with is not to instigate a conflict with that person.

If you don't like DSC, what is the ultimate point of spending your time in a sub-forum completely dedicated to the series? Why not spend your time having lively, happy discussion in the many other forums dedicated to RealTrek and simply avoid the forum dedicated to FakeTrek?

I can do both.

Had nobody responded to my initial opinion, that would have been the end of that. Believe me, I have no particular desire to discuss Discovery (if for no other reason than that I couldn't bear to watch it any more after about the sixth episode). But people keep responding to me and directing comments at me, so here we are.

Stop responding to me and I won't have any reason to post here again.

 

[Vger23]

I'm not. In fact I've declined to engage in a conflict.

But my opinion is my opinion and I don't hold back from stating my opinions. To state an opinion that another person disagrees with is not to instigate a conflict with that person.


I can do both.

Had nobody responded to my initial opinion, that would have been the end of that. Believe me, I have no particular desire to discuss Discovery (if for no other reason than that I couldn't bear to watch it any more after about the sixth episode). But people keep responding to me and directing comments at me, so here we are.

Stop responding to me and I won't have any reason to post here again.

Oh, so an admitted "last word" guy? Ok gotcha.

 

[fireproof78]

But my opinion is my opinion and I don't hold back from stating my opinions. To state an opinion that another person disagrees with is not to instigate a conflict with that person.

You don't have to like DISCO in order to acknowledge it as Star Trek. It's in the name

 

[Ovation]

Why thank you!

Well, I guess we will just have to agree to differ, since my opinion is otherwise.

But you cannot transform a fact into an opinion. It is a fact that Star Trek Discovery is a real Trek TV series. You are free, of course, to opine about how it fails to meet your expectations, how it fails to entertain you and how, to you, it is the opposite of what you would like. No one here will deny you your right to express your disappointment.

In my profession it is my job, quite literally, to separate fact from fiction and opinion. Not to denigrate any of them, but to make sure they are properly categorized. Your opinion about the latest Trek, in no way whatsoever , makes it “non-Trek”. Your opinion, as precious as it may be to you, does not supersede fact.

 

[gblews]

As I said, I'm willing to grant that premise for the purpose of the thread. So no argument there.

I think you missed the point. DSC is objectively a success regardless of you, me, or this thread. That success is measured by CBS's expressed happiness with the show the early renewal announcement.

Which probably means that getting the show that you want is not happening. I would feel bad about that but all the old shows are readily available on several different services. .

 

[Nerys Myk]

Could create mega-thread on what is and is not Star Trek". IMO money making is more important to CBS than Canon violations of those b>~%<>% over at Trekbbs complaining over trivia.
A real question might be: after the JJ movies and the DSC run, will we ever get "Star Trek" again.

It's always been about money more than canon. From TOS to today. The idea the people in charge of CBS even know the canon is laughable. That's way below their paygrade.

If DISCO is successful I see no reason why we won't get more Trek.

 

[Refuge]

Well, here's your problem; DSC isn't just "seen" as successful, it actually is successful, as in being the primary driver of CBSAA, Netflix (and others), subscriptions. That being the case, all things being equal, and barring some drastic change, it isn't unlikely that DSC will also get a third season. That is how successful the show has, and likely will continue to be, considering the good word of mouth.

All of the aforementioned does not bode well for another TNG/DS9/Voy/Ent style Trek show, which is what it sounds like you may want. I doubt that a spinoff (which may occur once CBS sees the number who unsub after Jan '18) of DSC will look very much different from DSC. That's just the way TV networks operate. So, it might be that the ship you're waiting for has already sailed.

The franchise is moving forward and naturally that means leaving some fans behind.

How do you prove Discovery is the primary driver of CBSAA, Netflix and others subscriptions? Also how does that prove boding well (or not) for any other style shows? When did they say there would be a Discovery spin off and a third season of Discovery?

 

[Refuge]

I think you missed the point. DSC is objectively a success regardless of you, me, or this thread. That success is measured by CBS's expressed happiness with the show the early renewal announcement.

Which probably means that getting the show that you want is not happening. I would feel bad about that but all the old shows are readily available on several different services. .

All that proves is there are two season of Discovery going to be made that we know of. Not even 26 episode seasons. No more no less.

 

[Prax]

So how many episodes will season 2 have? I'm going to predict 11, 12, or 13.

 

[fireproof78]

It's always been about money more than canon. From TOS to today. The idea the people in charge of CBS even know the canon is laughable. That's way below their paygrade.

If DISCO is successful I see no reason why we won't get more Trek.

Exactly.

 

[Ronald Held]

Is there an upper limit to the number of episodes in any given season?

 

[m.lp.ql.m]

True. Montgomery Scott would never do such a thing.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Is there an upper limit to the number of episodes in any given season?

What ever the budget allows or they want. Streaming doesn't seem to play by the same rules as broadcast when it comes to episode numbers.

 

[gblews]

How do you prove Discovery is the primary driver of CBSAA, Netflix and others subscriptions? Also how does that prove boding well (or not) for any other style shows? When did they say there would be a Discovery spin off and a third season of Discovery?

Yeah, that sentence was poorly constructed. I realized it after I posted but was too tired to fix it.

Anyway, what I meant was that DSC was the primary driver os CBSAA subscriptions since it's premiere by CBS's own admission. I'm sure it has done quite well driving new subscriptions on Netflix "and others" because Star Trek has such a large international following. Heck, even people who profess nothing but disdain for the show have bought subscriptions.