Transferred sounds like consciousness was moved.
Spoilers How do you like it that Picard is an android now?
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In real life no, in Star Trek yes.
A Katra is a recorded pattern of electrical impulses.
Romulan mind scans or Klingon mind shifters mechanically record the same patterns.
The actual electricity is not removed from one brain and put into a different brain.
Spock still went back into the reactor and saved the ship, and did he do that without a Katra? Or did he copy his Katra into McCoy, so that for a little while, there were two spocks, and if Spock had survived marbles intact, maybe he would have murdered the Spock in McCoy rather than look for a nice non Spock home for it.
Romulan mind scans or Klingon mind shifters mechanically record the same patterns.
The actual electricity is not removed from one brain and put into a different brain.
Spock still went back into the reactor and saved the ship, and did he do that without a Katra? Or did he copy his Katra into McCoy, so that for a little while, there were two spocks, and if Spock had survived marbles intact, maybe he would have murdered the Spock in McCoy rather than look for a nice non Spock home for it.
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A few people whining on the Internet is not "many," and absolutely nothing about Jean-Luc's consciousness being transferred to a synthetic body is inconsistent with canon. In fact, canon already has examples of consciousnesses being transferred from one body to another. You're just looking for an excuse to trash the show.
That’s exactly what I thought at the end of last week’s S02 premiere:
If this comes up at all, it would seem to answer any question as to the legitimacy of synth Picard’s real Picard-ness.
So, we know now that it isn’t a human Picard in the new reality, as Q mentioned in S02E02 Penance that in the altered reality he still had a “nifty synthetic body,” only now it’s courtesy of Gul Dukat trying to defy his execution at Picard’s hands.
So it happens even in wildly different realities, and Q recognizes them as his Picard.
So it happens even in wildly different realities, and Q recognizes them as his Picard.
So this is real and has nothing to do with writers?
It’s as real and unreal as everything in Star Trek.
It's too bad they couldn't have resurrected him to be like the TNG Picard and have him remain like that permanently.
The Data at the end actually wasn't from a surviving neuron, but from the copy he put in B4. That's why he didn't remember his death - he only knows the first half of Nemesis
Lucky him.
Right after the show is canceled or something.
I don't really care for philosophical agonising over whether it is the 'same' Picard. In the real world we really have no clue why humans have consciousness in the first place, so we are ill equipped to answer how its continuity works either. But I can accept that in the Star Trek universe Vulcans have cracked the Hard Problem of Consciousness ages ago or something, and the people know how to deal with this stuff so that the continuity is maintained. There certainly seems to be a lot of other examples of consciousness transfer, and no one ever seems to question it or have existential crises. So in that regard I'm perfectly willing to accept it is 'the same Picard.'
The synth body think still bugs me though. I'm still not even sure what it means to be a synth in the Picard-timeline. Completely different sort of beings with little commonality seems to be lumped in this category. If Picard' new body is just a clone, then why not call it that? It really has nothing in common with an android like Data. Though 'positronic' joke was made in the new season, so is he actually a proper android? I think it is rather infuriating that we don't even know that, and if he is a proper android then I feel it should matter somehow.
Also, I really liked the old and fragile Picard of the first season, it was very poignant. But even if the clone would have all the same frailties (apart the brain defect) the pathos is still lost. That frailty and mortality only exists due the idiotic decision by Picard's companions to not give him a younger body.
I don't know, I feel the whole thing is super awkward, and I think I'll try just not to think about it too much and enjoy the new season.
The synth body think still bugs me though. I'm still not even sure what it means to be a synth in the Picard-timeline. Completely different sort of beings with little commonality seems to be lumped in this category. If Picard' new body is just a clone, then why not call it that? It really has nothing in common with an android like Data. Though 'positronic' joke was made in the new season, so is he actually a proper android? I think it is rather infuriating that we don't even know that, and if he is a proper android then I feel it should matter somehow.
Also, I really liked the old and fragile Picard of the first season, it was very poignant. But even if the clone would have all the same frailties (apart the brain defect) the pathos is still lost. That frailty and mortality only exists due the idiotic decision by Picard's companions to not give him a younger body.
I don't know, I feel the whole thing is super awkward, and I think I'll try just not to think about it too much and enjoy the new season.
This is where real world rules meet the fiction. It's probably not feasible to deage Patrick Stewart for the run of the show, he couldn't do the action a younger Picard could, and Tom Hardy is probably not available even if they replaced Patrick.
Sure. From production perspective it makes perfect sense. But perhaps not write it in that way to begin with? They could have saved Picard with some sort of positronic brain implant (like the one that was already mentioned in the show) or come up with something else that didn't require the awkward synth Picard element.This is where real world rules meet the fiction. It's probably not feasible to deage Patrick Stewart for the run of the show, he couldn't do the action a younger Picard could, and Tom Hardy is probably not available even if they replaced Patrick.
The references to Picard being an android will end when we get to one of the episodes which was produced after Kurtzman was fired.
They were trying to save his life while respecting his wishes. Picard would not have wanted a younger body. So that's what they went wish.
Besides, even in TNG Data stated to be designed to age.
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