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How do Voyager fans feel about DS9?

How do you feel about DS9?

  • I love DS9, both it and Voyager are excellent

    Votes: 37 33.6%
  • I like DS9, but I prefer Voyager

    Votes: 24 21.8%
  • DS9 was okay, I have no strong feelings

    Votes: 5 4.5%
  • I disliked DS9, Voyager was the superior show

    Votes: 7 6.4%
  • I loath DS9, it ruined my life

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • I'm not a Voyager fan but I want to screw with the percentages

    Votes: 36 32.7%

  • Total voters
    110
somebody is placing the first season of ds9 (and hopefully he doesn't stop there) on youtube at the moment, what gives me the chance to watch it again after many years. had all episodes on vhs once, back then in english, the ones on youtube are in german. maybe it's the rougher and tougher language, but i can't help to note how the crew of ds9 is constantly barking at each other, they don't speak, they shout. too militaristic for my delicate taste. sisko is busy chewing someone out, kira on the brink of cardiac arrest, and odo can't speak at low volume either. i like the attitude on voyager a whole lot better.
 
had all episodes on vhs once, back then in english, the ones on youtube are in german. maybe it's the rougher and tougher language
Hm, interesting. To my ear the original English versions always sound a bit more militaristic and rough, whereas the German dub often gives me the impression they are merely talking about trivial matters. Needless to say, I prefer the original versions.

Just out of curiosity, do you speak German, Kai Winn?
 
I loved DS9, and liked VOY. I always found Voyager to be entertaining Trek, but there was a lot of potential they could have explored but didn't. Watching Elogium the other night, and having Janeway talk about making the Voyager a generational starship, made me think of what Voyager might have been. If Voy was made now, it would have been more like Battlestar Galactica.
 
If Voy was made now, it would have been more like Battlestar Galactica.

Or perhaps more like the latest film which tried to balance the darker storylines popular today with Roddenberry's humanist optimism.

I absolutely adore BSG (am re-watching now in fact) but I'm glad Voyager didn't get as dark. It's an optimistic show.
 
Indeed, that people are so quick to embrace NuBSG doesn't say a lot about our current values and state of society.
 
Indeed, that people are so quick to embrace NuBSG doesn't say a lot about our current values and state of society.

It's definitely a pessimist's view. On the other hand it also had a lot to say about our current values and state of society. That's mainly why it wasn't so pretty to watch - entertaining and thought-provoking for sure but not pretty.
 
On the other hand it also had a lot to say about our current values and state of society.

What, that the only way to advance as a people would be to get rid all our technology and culture so we can interbreed with primitive hunter-gatherers ;)?
 
I'm not 'quick' to 'embrace the nuBSG' but I can see why people are comparing the two. Voyager didn't need to be so dark as BSG was, by anymeans, but Voyager should have been a little more like that series, while keeping the trek parts (visiting new worlds, species, etc...). In the first few episodes, Janeway (and I think some others) kept mentioning that supplies on certain items would be limited, but after that, the 'limitations' didn't see to be so much as a way to craft interesting stories, but to keep the status quo (such as Neelix still being the cook).

That right there, is what my problem with Voyager, the ship didn't need to be falling a part by the season's end, but it should have been accumulating damage over the course of the series, it didn't even have to be major things, just some reference that deck such and such wont ever have full power again because there's not enough relays to spare, or one of the torpedo launchers need to be sacrificed to ensure the others can stay working, etc...
 
I'm guessing that since aliens exist in Voyager as compared to NuBSG, they could just stop off at alien starbases and fix themselves up. Or touch down on planets and do repairs there. They just didn't bother showing us everything.
 
If Voy was made now, it would have been more like Battlestar Galactica.

Or perhaps more like the latest film which tried to balance the darker storylines popular today with Roddenberry's humanist optimism.

I absolutely adore BSG (am re-watching now in fact) but I'm glad Voyager didn't get as dark. It's an optimistic show.

Optimistic, yes, but I would have liked to see the ship in genuine danger more often. The show should have been like Year of Hell all the time, with the crew having to make alliances to survive, and the ship falling apart every week. All the eps of VOY which address the issue of 'How do you keep your morals while trying to survive in hostile space?' made for interesting TV.

I agree that it was good they never completely crossed the line. I wouldn't want Janeway to become Captain Ransom or anything.
 
I'm not 'quick' to 'embrace the nuBSG' but I can see why people are comparing the two. Voyager didn't need to be so dark as BSG was, by anymeans, but Voyager should have been a little more like that series, while keeping the trek parts (visiting new worlds, species, etc...). In the first few episodes, Janeway (and I think some others) kept mentioning that supplies on certain items would be limited, but after that, the 'limitations' didn't see to be so much as a way to craft interesting stories, but to keep the status quo (such as Neelix still being the cook).
Even BSG wasn't great in that regard, whenever the resource problem came up they solved it for the rest of the series.

Water: The water supply is lost to space, by the end of the episode they find more and say their new supply will last for years even though Galactica has to supply 50,000 people with a hold designed to supply 2,000. We never hear of it again.

The Hand of God: Galactica is running low on tylium fuel, they destroy a Cylon base and gather enough fuel to last for the rest of the series.

Scar: They spend a month (one episode) mining an asteroid for ore to build new vipers using Pegasus' magical viper production facility, and we never hear about a lack of fighters again, even after losing Pegasus.

The Passage/Eye of Jupiter/Rapture: Somehow all their food is destroyed so they collect algae from a planet, and they don't finish collecting all they need before the planet blows up real good. Somehow that algae turns into a limitless supply of coffee.

And they never run out of munitions. That explosive screen they do during battles must be terribly wasteful, but their guns are still operating right up until Daybreak.

One of the great scenes from 33 was watching Tigh rationing his final bottle of whiskey, but how many times during the show was he completely wasted?
 
the ship in genuine danger more often

The last time I went through season 1&2, I was surprised to see how often the ship actually was in danger. I loved it when new worlds who are meeting Voyager for the "first time" are already talking about the rumors they've heard about this disreputable ship coming to ask for their help. The ship probably could have shown more "wear and tear", but I wonder how much would have been "too much" before it started to be too unsafe to fly? As for BSG... gosh how I loved that show! The same as Voyager in one sense... a people trying to find their way to Earth, and yet so different. ViVa le difference!
 
I loved it when new worlds who are meeting Voyager for the "first time" are already talking about the rumors they've heard about this disreputable ship coming to ask for their help.

I was always under the impression the Kazon were spreading those rumors so Voyager wouldn't have any allies making them easier to conquer.

Of course, this begs the questions of how the Kazon who were supposed to have inferior technology always seemed to be ahead of them.
 
Because Voyager kept going back and forth in order to taunt them. It's the same thing that Roadrunner did to Coyote.
 
Easy, the Kazon had lived in that space and thus knew the location of inhabited worlds. Even with inferior tech they knew where to go and who to talk to better than VOY did.
 
mand....don't you just hate the QSMM (Quick Space nuverable Missle)? and I do agree the armour animation was alot nicer looking in the video! great work!
 
I'm not 'quick' to 'embrace the nuBSG' but I can see why people are comparing the two. Voyager didn't need to be so dark as BSG was, by anymeans, but Voyager should have been a little more like that series, while keeping the trek parts (visiting new worlds, species, etc...). In the first few episodes, Janeway (and I think some others) kept mentioning that supplies on certain items would be limited, but after that, the 'limitations' didn't see to be so much as a way to craft interesting stories, but to keep the status quo (such as Neelix still being the cook).
Even BSG wasn't great in that regard, whenever the resource problem came up they solved it for the rest of the series.

Water: The water supply is lost to space, by the end of the episode they find more and say their new supply will last for years even though Galactica has to supply 50,000 people with a hold designed to supply 2,000. We never hear of it again.

I'll give you this one partially, their system was designed for the crew of that ship, and not an entire fleet as it was. However, one minor note, the system was also said to be good enough so that it was able to see continuous use as it was, for several years, before requiring a refill so to speak. In other words, in day to day operations it seems, there's little lost in water, despite thousands of people taking showers, using the toilet, etc...

The Hand of God: Galactica is running low on tylium fuel, they destroy a Cylon base and gather enough fuel to last for the rest of the series.

Yeah, we probably should have heard about this again somewhere, I think they probably just figured they were able to store a large bulk of it somewhere and process it as it was needed, and the vipers didn't need it as much due to their motion in space save for maneuvers. The worst of it was, it was also use for the FTL's, I think and I believe it was mentioned the FTL engines like their fuel...

Scar: They spend a month (one episode) mining an asteroid for ore to build new vipers using Pegasus' magical viper production facility, and we never hear about a lack of fighters again, even after losing Pegasus.

I seem to recall it being mentioned a few more times, actually but it wasn't an overly massive problem because the surviving Vipers from Pegasus had combined with Galactica. The core problem they had afterward, due to deaths and mutinies and the like, was they had vipers, but not enough pilots.

The Passage/Eye of Jupiter/Rapture: Somehow all their food is destroyed so they collect algae from a planet, and they don't finish collecting all they need before the planet blows up real good. Somehow that algae turns into a limitless supply of coffee.

I was curious about this to, somewhat surprised they didn't somehow have a way to grow food within the fleet. I just figured they had a minimal amount, what they could get by on and a 'this would be nice, just to be safe' amount, and the fleet ultimately left with the minimal amount. Been a bit since I've seen the episode though, so I don't remember for sure.

And they never run out of munitions. That explosive screen they do during battles must be terribly wasteful, but their guns are still operating right up until Daybreak.

They did address this, perhaps it's not totally believable, but they mentioned several times, and even showed once or twice that Galactica had hired people to make ammunition, and that's pretty much all they did.

One of the great scenes from 33 was watching Tigh rationing his final bottle of whiskey, but how many times during the show was he completely wasted?

Yeah, I always wondered where they kept coming up with the booze. He must have taken part in the still the deckcrew made in one of the supply closets in the hanger deck.

Just to be sure, I wasn't at all suggesting that the nuBSG was the show to end all shows, and that they had an answer to it all. I merely suggested they made more of an effort in this show, and several episodes this was the plot point with lasting consequences for some of it. Algae coffee though...yuck, I can see why Tigh lost the taste for the stuff.
 
I'm not so much into the darker sf stuff, personally, but to each....now, Year of Hell was a good two-parter. I can think of how I would I have liked to see it, but, that I will keep to myself.It had really good drama, with scenes likeKathryn finding the watch, and she and Tuvok on the bridge just before she sets off to reboot history..oh, I love that scene, where she describes Voyager, what she truly is to her...darker is fine for here and there, but after a while, nah...doubt it, but I have only seen a very little on NBC of NuBSG.
 
As someone who grew up with "Voyager," I LOVED "Deep Space Nine" when I finally gave it a try. It was the first series I'd seen that had a ragtag bunch of flawed characters, like Voyager. (I know DS9 came first, but I'm talking about the order in which I watched them.) I always liked TNG and TOS, but their crews were very elite and less interesting and relatable than those of Voyager IMO. DS9 was the only other series I found that had a cast of rebels and misfits that I liked.
 
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