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How do the new Star Trek shows compare to The Mandolarian?

Sci said:
Lord Garth said:
But unless the way it would've affected them would affect -- or continue to affect -- their abilities to carry out their duties, those affects would never be seen in a future episode. If one episode's plot doesn't advance another episode's plot in an episodic series, then it doesn't make sense to bring it up or follow up on it because it wouldn't come up naturally.
When people lose someone they love, they don't just stop grieving within two weeks because it's not relevant to their jobs during work hours.
I'm going to stop you right now. You might not know this, but my mother died when I was 18. I do not need to be told about this.

1) I am very sorry to hear about your mother. I wish you continued healing.

2) Of course you don't need me to tell you this. But even in your description of your own situation, you didn't stop grieving just because you didn't share your grief with your co-workers. You didn't share your grief with your coworkers because you wanted that boundary there. That's 100% legit.

I lost my grandmother in November 2019. About two weeks later, I went back to work. Like you, I chose not to share my grief with my co-workers. If I had a moment where I needed to step away so they didn't see me become overwhelmed, I excused myself from the office for a moment. I wanted that boundary there, too.

But a television program's narrator is by definition supposed to have more access to a character's internal emotions than a coworker at a job in real life. And it is unrealistic for a TV show to depict the internal emotional world of a character who has lost someone with the same kind of distance you and I chose to establish in real life from our respective coworkers. The relationship between the television program and a primary character must be closer than the relationship between two co-workers in real life.

It's not that it's unrealistic for Kirk not to share his feelings with his co-workers and subordinates during work hours. It's that it's unrealistic for TOS as a narrative to depict Kirk as not grieving for them at all after one episode.
 
In terms of cultural impact and viewing numbers, Discovery pales in comparison to the Mandalorian. It's one of those shows that *everyone* has seen and even if they haven't, they know about baby Yoda. Ask the *average* person about Star Trek - and I bet they could name elements from TOS and a handful from TNG.

This has always been true of the relationship between Star Trek and Star Wars though. It's no different from the relationship between, say, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back.

Hell, Star Trek and Star Wars aren't really even competitors anymore. They don't air during finite amounts of time two competing networks have to put something on the air or take up the finite amount of operating hours and auditoriums a cinema has; they stream on different streaming services with nigh-infinite storage and transmission capacity and they have totally different release schedules. It's not a zero-sum game anymore, so one's success doesn't really impact the other's anymore. The only real way it's fair to compare them anymore is in terms of evaluating the works themselves.
 
This has always been true of the relationship between Star Trek and Star Wars though. It's no different from the relationship between, say, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back.

Hell, Star Trek and Star Wars aren't really even competitors anymore. They don't air during finite amounts of time two competing networks have to put something on the air or take up the finite amount of operating hours and auditoriums a cinema has; they stream on different streaming services with nigh-infinite storage and transmission capacity and they have totally different release schedules. It's not a zero-sum game anymore, so one's success doesn't really impact the other's anymore. The only real way it's fair to compare them anymore is in terms of evaluating the works themselves.

I take your point. Empire made around 5 times more money at the box office than TWOK. But I'd wager that Paramount would love to have an audience for DSC that is 5 times smaller than The Mandalorian.

As to the comment about comparing them in terms of evaluating the works themselves, just look at the IMDB or Rotten Tomatoes aggregate scores. The Mandalorian and The Expanse get consistently higher audience scores. I wish DSC had someone like John Favreau or Naren Shankar as show runner. You can bet that they've planned out their stories seasons in advance, whereas with DSC and Picard, I get the feeling that the writers are winging it season by season.

I worry for the future of Paramount + and Star Trek because Trek looks cheap by comparison. From a branding point of view, it isn’t a great look for CBS All Access to be offering some of its content for its flagship franchise in DVD quality. CBS All Access is probably the only paid-for streaming platform in the world right now offering two full seven-season series in low quality, and that’s bad for the brand. There have to be newcomers to VOY and DS9 who switch off because of the low quality.
 
I take your point. Empire made around 5 times more money at the box office than TWOK. But I'd wager that Paramount would love to have an audience for DSC that is 5 times smaller than The Mandalorian.

As to the comment about comparing them in terms of evaluating the works themselves, just look at the IMDB or Rotten Tomatoes aggregate scores. The Mandalorian and The Expanse get consistently higher audience scores. I wish DSC had someone like John Favreau or Naren Shankar as show runner. You can bet that they've planned out their stories seasons in advance, whereas with DSC and Picard, I get the feeling that the writers are winging it season by season.

I worry for the future of Paramount + and Star Trek because Trek looks cheap by comparison. From a branding point of view, it isn’t a great look for CBS All Access to be offering some of its content for its flagship franchise in DVD quality. CBS All Access is probably the only paid-for streaming platform in the world right now offering two full seven-season series in low quality, and that’s bad for the brand. There have to be newcomers to VOY and DS9 who switch off because of the low quality.
There's not enough money or interest for a full HD version of Voyager or Deep Space 9. Hopefully anyone who views them for the first time gets a sense of when they were made. But I also don't think that anyone will be specifically buying Paramount+ just to get access to either of those shows when they probably already have a streaming service that has those.
 
There's not enough money or interest for a full HD version of Voyager or Deep Space 9. Hopefully anyone who views them for the first time gets a sense of when they were made. But I also don't think that anyone will be specifically buying Paramount+ just to get access to either of those shows when they probably already have a streaming service that has those.

Sadly, I agree with you. But then again, I was amazed to see Babylon 5 released in HD a few months ago - and not just an upscale like Stargate SG1, but a re-scan! Maybe a labor of love for someone?

The popularity of Voyager also amazes me - specifically how much they've raised for the documentary.
 
whereas with DSC and Picard, I get the feeling that the writers are winging it season by season.
Well, having writers leaving the show in the middle of the season doesn't help.

I do wish there was a great sense of planning from the BTS. I have a feeling there is a plan but things keep getting in the way, either writers leaving, or COVID.
 
I think if The Orville had Huge Cultural Impact, FOX wouldn't have let it switch to Hulu.

The Orville had to switch to Hulu from Fox because 20th Century Fox no longer exists, and is now 20th Century Pictures, Disney having separated Fox from it because of the toxic nature of Fox News, and The Orville (along with everything else from the former company that's not Fox News) being owned by Disney-I thought that was common knowledge.:vulcan:

Also, The Orville doesn't work on network TV anymore, so it's now on a streaming service.
 
The Orville had to switch to Hulu from Fox because 20th Century Fox no longer exists, and is now 20th Century Pictures, Disney having separated Fox from it because of the toxic nature of Fox News, and The Orville (along with everything else from the former company that's not Fox News) being owned by Disney-I thought that was common knowledge.:vulcan:

Also, The Orville doesn't work on network TV anymore, so it's now on a streaming service.
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