could you elaborate please?
HOW did Edith delay WWII?
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The novel explores the timeline that McCoy created after he prevented Edith's death in 1930, the one that we only get a glimpse of on Spock's tricorder in the episode.could you elaborate please?
American Badass FDR was screwing around on Eleanor.
(No really, it was like a 30 year affair.)
It's possible Edith blackmailed the President into supporting the pacifist movement?
(No really, it was like a 30 year affair.)
It's possible Edith blackmailed the President into supporting the pacifist movement?
I meant how in the book Edith delayed the war in the alternate timeline
Edith becomes quite influential and well known in the "peace movement" during the 30's. Somehow her considerable influence on American politics and policies results in Japan not attacking Pearl Harbor in 1941. I don't think that the novel went into much more detail about it, but at one point McCoy remarks (to himself) something like "the Japanese attack should have happened four weeks ago", as he realizes that the history that he knew had been changed.
This happened on July 26th 1941.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/united-states-freezes-japanese-assets
Seriously.
Loss of human life aside, that's way worse than Pearl Harbour.
Considering that attacking Pearl Harbour, didn't get them their oil or their "assets" back, it's was a pretty feckless and emotional response. Japan wasn't a nation run by a government back then, it was just one guy. One guy that went "Fuck me? Fuck me? No, Fuck you! Fuck you!"
FDR had to know that he was taking a side, and making a move that would pull him into the war. It's highly likely that he wanted to be pulled into WWII. He didn't know a surprise attack was coming, but he had definitely provoked a gentlemanly declaration of war by ambassadors in suits welcoming America into the European conflict with a pat on the back, and a seat at the table.
FDR underestimated exactly how passionate Hirohito was about getting ####ed in the ass.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/united-states-freezes-japanese-assets
Seriously.
Loss of human life aside, that's way worse than Pearl Harbour.
Considering that attacking Pearl Harbour, didn't get them their oil or their "assets" back, it's was a pretty feckless and emotional response. Japan wasn't a nation run by a government back then, it was just one guy. One guy that went "Fuck me? Fuck me? No, Fuck you! Fuck you!"
FDR had to know that he was taking a side, and making a move that would pull him into the war. It's highly likely that he wanted to be pulled into WWII. He didn't know a surprise attack was coming, but he had definitely provoked a gentlemanly declaration of war by ambassadors in suits welcoming America into the European conflict with a pat on the back, and a seat at the table.
FDR underestimated exactly how passionate Hirohito was about getting ####ed in the ass.
We're talking about a character played by Joan Collins at her prime here! So I guess she must've changed history by sleeping with an awful lot of influential men...
Let's get the hell out of here.
Let's get the hell out of here.
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Sex was a little harder to press to bare back then.
Flirting, with zero intention of follow through, could move mountains, and frankly still does.
Flirting, with zero intention of follow through, could move mountains, and frankly still does.
Thanks
Doubtful, at best. The relationship was discovered by Eleanor in 1918, so, by 1930, FDR's infidelities would've been well-insulated and fool-proof. Had this information been leaked to the press, I'm confident that "Babs" would've continued to prevent it hurting her husband's career, by putting her best face on it. Edith would've gotten the surprise of her life ...
There were apologies and FDR promised to quit balling.
He lied.
He lied.
Eleanor was a pooch, though, it's to be expected.
The City episode assumes The Third Reich
a. never loses the war
b. Even if it win,s has no interest in space flight
c. Assumes Zephram Cochrane is never born or develops warp drive
d. WW3 does not come about later in history
I never understood why there would be a no spaceship above the planet due to Edith Keeler. Even if the Nazis ruled the roost when the Vulcans came along, and they decided to continue to ignore the crazy, violent Terran planet. Perhaps another interplanetary alliance would have taken place without Earth, especially if the Xindi were still influenced by insane, power hungry mystical beings in Archer's time.
a. never loses the war
b. Even if it win,s has no interest in space flight
c. Assumes Zephram Cochrane is never born or develops warp drive
d. WW3 does not come about later in history
I never understood why there would be a no spaceship above the planet due to Edith Keeler. Even if the Nazis ruled the roost when the Vulcans came along, and they decided to continue to ignore the crazy, violent Terran planet. Perhaps another interplanetary alliance would have taken place without Earth, especially if the Xindi were still influenced by insane, power hungry mystical beings in Archer's time.
I think by having atomic bombs and V-2 rockets, Germany wouldn't have lost the war. Imagine London and Moscow getting atomic bombed instead of Japan. Certainly it would have changed the results if it didn't win them the war outright. Maybe Zef's granddaddy got killed in the bombing. And WW3 would have had different opponents, because the original WW3, (whatever that is because Star Trek really never decided when it was or with what sides) if it even happened. And back then, I think the intended backstory was Earth found the Vulcans, not the other way around, so there's endless permutations of scenarios.
Which still does not explain the non existence of a starship. I know the ST Federation universe is heavily Terrancentric but I don't see humans as the centre of the universe when it comes to space travel. It would be interesting if above the planet was a Vulcan ship, or Andorian ship or Coalition ship with no humans on board or something. Or even a Klingon ship.
True, actually the first draft had the Enterprise still there but basically a pirate ship.
But even if the Federation still existed, it might not have had a ship right there right then.
Maybe it wasn't as completely different as Kirk and the landing party assumed, but the communications frequencies were different and so they assumed everything was gone. We really had no evidence that the Federation "ceased to exist" in the episode.
But even if the Federation still existed, it might not have had a ship right there right then.
Maybe it wasn't as completely different as Kirk and the landing party assumed, but the communications frequencies were different and so they assumed everything was gone. We really had no evidence that the Federation "ceased to exist" in the episode.
True, similar to the episode where Sisko and co went back in time and took part in the Bell riots. Starfleet disappears from the Sol system. Another assumption that without humanity the quadrant goes to pot. However it would be interesting if the new version of 'Starfleet' had moved to Vulcan or Alpha Centauri.
Kira- 'Hold on I am picking up a communications signal from.....Vulcan Space Central talking about intruders into the Vulcan - Tellarite - Andorian alliance?
The scientists who built the supermen would have been alive in the 1940s, with the potential to assume the same fields of study?
Probably?
Übermensch vs Superman.
The NAZIs would have won WWII by using a lot of atomic bombs.
Later, Korea and Viet Nam, a lot more nuclear weapons.
By the mid 1980s, a Superman, should be able to go on killing regular well trained and armed humans without out pause for hours. If Hitler (on his last legs) or someone as unstable is in charge of the Germanium Empire by that point, the rules of engagement will have been decided to have been nuke vs Superman.
They'll be wiping out cities to smack one or two augments.
Too sad a world to make babies for.
Probably?
Übermensch vs Superman.
The NAZIs would have won WWII by using a lot of atomic bombs.
Later, Korea and Viet Nam, a lot more nuclear weapons.
By the mid 1980s, a Superman, should be able to go on killing regular well trained and armed humans without out pause for hours. If Hitler (on his last legs) or someone as unstable is in charge of the Germanium Empire by that point, the rules of engagement will have been decided to have been nuke vs Superman.
They'll be wiping out cities to smack one or two augments.
Too sad a world to make babies for.