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HOW did Edith delay WWII?

If she could encourage a complete isolationalist attitude, then this would have had a very drastic effect.

Firstly, no lend-lease act. It took a considerable time for Britain to recover from the losses in the France campaign, and a lot of this shortfall was made up with lend-lease. There was even a huge reliance on the US donating older escorts to help in the Battle of the Atlantic. This is not even including the munitions supplies. Even the massive Soviet war machine relied on lend-lease and without Britain being a thorn in Germany's back the advance may have ben more swift and caught up with the factories before they could be moved further east.

Secondly, they would not apply embargoes against Japan, meaning the attack on Pearl Harbor may have never even been needed, not provoking the USA.
 
We "lent" Russia over a half-million vehicles for WW-2, of which 350,000 were trucks which turned out to be one of their most important assets as it gave their infantry mobility and supply lines the Germans couldn't match. Without lend-lease, Germany wins in Europe no matter if Japan and USA fight in the Pacific or not.
 
Lend lease wasn't signed till 1941, 5 months before Operation Barbarosa where Germany Invaded Russia.

Did Russia cash in on Lend lease before or after Barbarosa?

Surely allying with America, strengthening their borders like that with yank resources seems to justify the invasion of Russia by Nazis?

(The Edith effect!)

1. Without Lend Lease bolstering Russia (only) after Barbarosa, Russia fell.

(or)

2. Without lend lease scaring the Nazi's into breaking their non aggression pact with Russia before Barbarosa, the non aggression pact would have held and there would have been no second front.

Wait?

Did in (our real) reality FDR trick the insecure NAZIs into attacking Russia, because Russia was dumb enough to accept a gift of 350,000 trucks from America?

That is so High School.

The home team's quarterback's girlfriend letting the rival team's quarter back buy her a salted malt, so the home team quarter back has to smash the rival quarter back.
 
Guy Gardener said:
Lend lease wasn't signed till 1941, 5 months before Operation Barbarosa where Germany Invaded Russia.

Did Russia cash in on Lend lease before or after Barbarosa?
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The Soviets were not cut in on the Lend-Lease deal till October 1941.
 
J.T.B. said:
The Soviets were not cut in on the Lend-Lease deal till October 1941.
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Yeah until Barbarossa the Soviets were an Axis power, so lend-lease wouldn't have been a thing. In fact the USA would have done exactly what they did with Germany, as in dragging their feet about any possible war-related exports to Russia.
 
Guy Gardener said:
The home team's quarterback's girlfriend letting the rival team's quarterback buy her a salted malt, so the home team quarterback has to smash the rival quarterback.
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Kind of hard to do considering opposing quarterbacks aren't typically on the field at the same time.
 
No one's on the field, it's two thugs named Moose trying to make time with the same Betty in a Maltshop.
 
The Old Mixer said:
Or maybe her influence directly or indirectly caused the U.S. not to enforce the series of trade restrictions against Japan that left them desperate enough to think that the Pearl Harbor attack was a good idea.
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Here is my idea. In Trek history of WWII, FDR hears of a nice lady who has come to the fore--and was discovered by Hollywood. Some German American Bunds were funding the poor lady, in the same way that some anti-Civil War groups were funded by the Confederacy. She is a great actress.

FDR visits her. She insists on giving aid to poor off the movie lot. This gives her a great voice.

Secretly FDR's wife pays her a visit.

His car goes out of control. Edith is missed (barely) but Elanor is killed (no safety glass, seat-belts.)

Edith marries FDR, who has a stroke.
 
Sgt_G said:
Kind of hard to do considering opposing quarterbacks aren't typically on the field at the same time.
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I don't think that they played two-platoon football in the early 1940s. The other quarterback would have been playing defensive back, and might well get to tackle his opposite number.
 
The Old Mixer said:
Or maybe her influence directly or indirectly caused the U.S. not to enforce the series of trade restrictions against Japan that left them desperate enough to think that the Pearl Harbor attack was a good idea.
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I am sure that is what happened. The pacifists became so powerful that FDR wasn't willing to do anything that would antagonize Japan and Germany or involve any risk of war.
 
When McCoy goes back in time and Kirk and Spock have not gone after him yet,
Edith helps McCoy with the effects of the drug as we see in the episode.

Now once McCoy is back to health McCoy then saves Edith (or simply him being there means she does not get run over) . McCoy might have developed a friendship with her and his medical skills might have in the background given her pacifist views a lot of traction. For example, With McCoy's help Edith may have done something like drastically reduce TB or improved vitamin intake reducing rickets giving Edith fame and respect enough to change history.

(Widening this somewhat, Consider how one of the main reasons for the development and spread of Christianity was the belief in Jesus's healing in a time of primitive medicine)
 
Edith convinced all the women in the world to make love and not war, so all the dudes were too busy and happy to run off and kill each other.:biggrin:
 
Spock's Barber said:
Edith convinced all the women in the world to make love and not war, so all the dudes were too busy and happy to run off and kill each other.:biggrin:
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Maybe she went the other way and organised the women in a 'love' strike like in Aristophanes' play Lysistrata which stopped the war between the Ancient Greek states.
Well worth seeing by the way or reading in translation anything by Aristophanes quite moving how 2400 years ago they laughed at the same jokes we have now.
Remember how In Star Trek they often used something Greek or classical to indicate intelligence.
 
3D ChessMaster said:
Maybe she went the other way and organised the women in a 'love' strike like in Aristophanes' play Lysistrata which stopped the war between the Ancient Greek states.
Well worth seeing by the way or reading in translation anything by Aristophanes quite moving how 2400 years ago they laughed at the same jokes we have now.
Remember how In Star Trek they often used something Greek or classical to indicate intelligence.
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As long as I don't have to wear one of those skimpy "dresses" like Michael Forrest had to in WMFA.:ack:
 
As others have said, without American aid, the USSR doesn't stop Germany, and without American intervention the Western Front isn't liberated. Whether the US became involved in a war in the Pacific with Japan has nothing to do with Germany.
 
In Michael Frayn's play and film Copenhagen based on a real meeting between Heisenberg ( of Uncertainty Principle fame) the leader of the Nazi A bomb team and Danish Physicist Bohr.

It seems that Heisenberg made some miscalculation which lead him to believe developing an A bomb was impractical . I think the play leaves us uncertain ( see what Frayn did there?) whether Bohr could have corrected Heisenberg but kept quiet or Even possibly that Heisenberg chose to stay wrong.
Now all it needs is for some clever student physicist to correct Heisenberg's calculation and they are back in the race.
How about if Edith Keeler's talk about future Atom power encourages someone to study atomic physics in the 30s and either becomes that student or as an academic publishes a result which enables Heisenberg to avoid his miscalculation.
 
Heisenberg didn't want to make that bomb. he was trying to drag his feet. But he thought he knew how to build it. He didn't in the end. He was trying to coax Bohr on whether one was in the offing from the West. If Bohr had said yes that would've put WH a patriot but non-Nazi into a bit of a bind. Bohr a half-Jewish guy wouldn't say as he certainly didn't want to give any even indirect encouragement whatsoever to any Nazi bomb. So they feuded. Ultimately given WH's confusion over the physics of it, the international implications became moot and so the whole affair was reduced to the rift between the two ex-friends.

Anyway, Keeler founded this movement that deterred America from its oil embargo on Japan which had been the source of serious tension between Japan and the US. Japan judged that the Soviets where the bigger threat and attacked them instead in the context of Barbarossa. Without America's hot intervention, Germany eventually got that A-bomb...
 
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