Voyager had a bad time of it meeting new and interesting Delta Quadrant-only aliens didnt it?
How Canon is Endgame?
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Nope, I don't really think that at all.
I know better.
Large inconsistency was the biggest compliant about the stow. I have no doubt if you watched the show from start to finish you'd see it too.
Sounds like meddling too me.
Did you not say, I think a show like "HEROES" is a show written by people that didn't care?
As I recall, there were a (scant) few episodes involving "future" Voyagers where this was the case. Even 'Endgame' itself alluded to it.
Agreed, there could have been more about this particular issue, though.
Unless the Doctor was on the ball, there should have been a rash of pregnancies during/after the Hirogen Occupation of Voyager, when the crew could be excused for being absent minded with their contraception.
Gotta wonder if the Equinox 5 socialized and dated?
This fresh meat must have seemed like the last chance to raise a family for all crew that wouldn't settle and pair off with what was on offer.
Kim is the best and the brightest, a perfect example of humanity, but women were choosing terrorist dirt farmers or genocidal traitors over him as life partners to raise children with.
Poor Harry.
Gotta wonder if the Equinox 5 socialized and dated?
This fresh meat must have seemed like the last chance to raise a family for all crew that wouldn't settle and pair off with what was on offer.
Kim is the best and the brightest, a perfect example of humanity, but women were choosing terrorist dirt farmers or genocidal traitors over him as life partners to raise children with.
Poor Harry.
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...and I conceded. What more should I say?
Nothing my friend, say nothing, it really is best allaround.
Endgame has to be canon. There I said it. Without it we don't get to see Voyager with crew mostly intact making it home to the Alpha Quadrant.
Endgame has to be canon. There I said it. Without it we don't get to see Voyager with crew mostly intact making it home to the Alpha Quadrant.
...and I conceded. What more should I say?
I thought you might have been meaning, "I don't think that, I know that", in which case you were re-emphasising your original stance.
Unless the Doctor was on the ball, there should have been a rash of pregnancies during/after the Hirogen Occupation of Voyager, when the crew could be excused for being absent minded with their contraception.
Gotta wonder if the Equinox 5 socialized and dated?
This fresh meat must have seemed like the last chance to raise a family for all crew that wouldn't settle and pair off with what was on offer.
Kim is the best and the brightest, a perfect example of humanity, but women were choosing terrorist dirt farmers or genocidal traitors over him as life partners to raise children with.
Poor Harry.
Noting that, in the writer guidelines for TOS, it is stated that female members of Star Fleet got a contraceptive injection. This was optional if married (60's TV standards had a hand here, methinks), but if they got pregnant, then they would be immediately rotated to shore duty.
Guessing that (a) some form of this procedure would continue into Voyager's time; and (b) the duration effect of whatever iis used is fairly long-lasting - certainly longer than now..
When Cassiday told Sisko that she was pregnant, he says "Didn't you take your shot this month?" to which she responds "Didn't you!?" and his stunning reply was "I guess I forgot."
One hypospray shot a month.
Both genders,
Equal responsibility, equal culpability.
The Hirogen held Voyager for One month.
Although according to the script, an undefined fraction of the crew had been confined to quarters which included one would hope Naomi, so with the exception of Janeway possibly, not everyone was left under, in character every minute of that thirty day stretch, because of rest periods and substitutions.
One hypospray shot a month.
Both genders,
Equal responsibility, equal culpability.
The Hirogen held Voyager for One month.
Although according to the script, an undefined fraction of the crew had been confined to quarters which included one would hope Naomi, so with the exception of Janeway possibly, not everyone was left under, in character every minute of that thirty day stretch, because of rest periods and substitutions.
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Wasn't aware of the DS9 mention,
As for the rest, yeah, when taken prisoner by homicidal aliens, the first thing everybody thinks of is doing The Wild Thing with whomever one's cellmate might happen to be.
Cellmates?
I'm thinking about, during the simulations.
Dozens of crewmen (Can you call Neelix a "Crewman"?) thinking that they're Klingons?
Sex and violence?
You cannot explain the difference to these sorts of people.
I'm thinking about, during the simulations.
Dozens of crewmen (Can you call Neelix a "Crewman"?) thinking that they're Klingons?
Sex and violence?
You cannot explain the difference to these sorts of people.
"these" sorts of people?
Other than their Hunting = Status thing (which probably translated into sex at some point). we don't have any clues as to Hirogen sexuality (for which I am extremely glad ). Could be wrong, but I don't think we ever saw Hirogen females.
So we simply don't know if sex directly equated to violence for them. Nor if they had any interest in seeing how other species dealt with this equation. Hirogen watching blue movies? Ack.
Excuse me, I think I need to go Brillo my frontal lobes now.
Other than their Hunting = Status thing (which probably translated into sex at some point). we don't have any clues as to Hirogen sexuality (for which I am extremely glad
). Could be wrong, but I don't think we ever saw Hirogen females.So we simply don't know if sex directly equated to violence for them. Nor if they had any interest in seeing how other species dealt with this equation. Hirogen watching blue movies? Ack.
Excuse me, I think I need to go Brillo my frontal lobes now.
KLINGONS!!!
(Not Hirogen.)
And I don't think we were talking about modern day Klingons.
Medieval Klingons?
Humans from the 12th century were bad enough, imagine Klingons at that level of development?
Sex with some wing-nut they normally wouldn't tell the time of day to, is not the worst thing they should be concerned about.
Cannibalism might be.
(Not Hirogen.)
And I don't think we were talking about modern day Klingons.
Medieval Klingons?
Humans from the 12th century were bad enough, imagine Klingons at that level of development?
So, yeah, if dozens of Voyagers crewmen were led to believe that they are Klingons from the days of knights on horse back, and they're separated into two opposing armies, then forced hammer and tong at one another to the death?
Sex with some wing-nut they normally wouldn't tell the time of day to, is not the worst thing they should be concerned about.
Cannibalism might be.
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Does anybody have an issue with how they wrote 7of9 into a relationship with Commander Chakotay in the final episode? Was this something that had been seen before in prior episodes? I have not seen all the last few VOYagers so that is why I ask for enlightenment.
Seven had been living a double-life in the holodeck during Human Error, and was having a virtual relationship with a holo-Chakotay.
But the actual relationship in the finale still seemed a little forced.
Apparently because of the holodeck stuff, Jeri and Bob asked the director of "Natural Law" if they should sex it up while camping, and the director (as well as her boyfriend "Braga") told them to leave it alone, keep it platonically pg 13, becuase if they had a relationship it wasn't going anywhere so there was no need to confuse or work up the audience.
So if Jeri Ryan can ask her employers if this is the episode where her character lost her virginity, why can't I?
So if Jeri Ryan can ask her employers if this is the episode where her character lost her virginity, why can't I?
I assume it would not be going anywhere as the series was ending?
It'd be a Chekhov's Gun situation (not that Chekov). Don't present the audience with information that isn't needed to tell the story. At the midnight hour, telling the audience that Seven and Chakotay are knocking boots does not help them get home.
The "director" was wrong, ignorant or lying.
Human error, natural law, endgame.
That's a three episode arc in which they could have showed their romance growing, if only there was a scene in natural law to support that there was a relationship. Some thing as innocent as she's cold, and he spoons her.
By the way.
Endgame is everything.
All roads lead to end game.
Endgame is their signature, apology and job interview or their next gig.
At least it would have been if most of the people with power hadn't jumped ship for Enterprise before the final season of Voyager even began, but that's how most parents are when there's a new baby in the house.
The middle children always get screwed over completely.
