How can Shatner be written into the film?

[ChristopherPike]

I suppose since the interior of the Nexus Ribbon exists outside of time and space, the younger Spock can encounter it and discover the older Kirk within. If I've explained that correctly. So even though Shatner can't meet Nimoy again on screen... he could meet Quinto. Interesting retcon there too. Knowing his future Captain's ultimate fate but being unable to say anything...

 

[EyalM]

They need to stay clear of any attempt to explain Kirk's presence that is more then a line or two. This isn't the "undo-Generations" movie or "the search for Kirk".
All of these theories are an entertaining discussion, but it will kill the movie to execute them.
Nobody other then the fans will even care that Kirk is suddenly alive. So if the producers really feel the need to rationalize it, they should do it in some tie-in media (novel, internet game, comic etc.) and leave the movie be.

 

[Flake]

I don't know! Been thinking and there is no good way to it.

Don't bother putting him in. Put some archive footage in of him at a Starfleet ceremony or something.

De-Age him? But I don't think thats possible because of how he has aged (ballooned)

 

[Superman]

Flake said:
De-Age him? But I don't think thats possible because of how he has aged (ballooned)

I don't think that's a very necessary criticism. Shatner looks great for his age, having recently lost some weight.

I'm thirty-one, and it's a bitch trying to lose weight and keep it off at my age. You're telling me it'll be easier fifty years hence?

Cut the man some slack.

\S/

 

[TrelaneRetired]

EyalM said:
They need to stay clear of any attempt to explain Kirk's presence that is more then a line or two. This isn't the "undo-Generations" movie or "the search for Kirk".
All of these theories are an entertaining discussion, but it will kill the movie to execute them.
Nobody other then the fans will even care that Kirk is suddenly alive. So if the producers really feel the need to rationalize it, they should do it in some tie-in media (novel, internet game, comic etc.) and leave the movie be.

I absolutley agree. As much as I love the Shat Man, the last thing I want is a bunch of silly plot contortions with no point but to explain his presence.

 

[Kirby]

Well obviously all the attention is on Nimoy and Shatner, but it'll get kicked off with Frakes and Sirtis where Riker and Troi in the holodeck because Riker has a big problem he's facing in the episode "Angel One"
Trio recommends they go visit Kirk and Spock during their last adventure together, they go in for a few minutes and see Shat and Nimoy jacking around somewhere and then she says "oh crap, I meant their first adventure together. Computer, reset the program."

 

[Kelso]

While on his deathbed, Spock hallucinates that Kirk is there with him.

Done.

 

[Mordock]

Edited: Somebody thought of my point before I did.

 

[Flake]

Re: Spock Dying (again)

Noooooooooooo we have had to see Kirk die (twice in one movie) I don't need to see Spock die again!

Spock will get in a one man shuttle and pilot it off to some unknown part of the galaxy and that's the last we see of him, we can then speculate forever as to where he went and what happened. Don't kill him off!

 

[T'Cal]

Simply ignoring the events in GEN is a horrible idea IMO, and one I don't imagine Nimoy describing as a very, very good story, or however he is quoted. Also, to say that someone could go into the nexus to retrieve Kirk makes no sense based on dialog from the movie. Guinnan couldn't leave because she wasn't really there; she was an echo. Kirk was in there almost 100 years but didn't age, so why would his echo age almost 20 years since Kirk left with Picard? Time has no meaning there, we were told. It's way too messy and can only get messier.

The whole nexus plot was tenuous at best in GEN and it's probably best to leave it be. How could an energy ribbon that is so huge, devastating, and regular (it makes its way that close to Earth only every 39.2 years!!) be news to everyone from the Alpha Quadrant??? By at least the late 23rd century, it should've been studied, if not before the Enterprise-B incident then certainly afterward since it killed Kirk. Did none of the crew of the E-B and none of the El-Aurian survivors discuss the events and experiences of that day? The freaking media were there covering the entire incident!! By the late 24th century, all Starfleet officers should've been aware of it, yet Picard and crew are caught completely unawares.

This idea of ignoring Kirk's death is wholly inconsistent with all that we've heard about JJA staying true to canon. He has a lot of room to write a story that works within the history of Trek without ignoring a huge event such as the infamous James T. Kirk dying.

Also, I'm confused by the fact that the script is supposedly written already (per JJA and Nimoy) yet JJA is now saying that he's trying to think of a way to write Shatner as Kirk into the film. Shatner simply can't be in this film as James Kirk and shouldn't be in it as any other role including a Kirk ancestor. It will likely come across as forced and just plain silly, which I hope is not the direction he wants to take this project or the entire franchise. Other than this talk of getting him in as Kirk, I am very happy with all of the real news that has come out on this film and I wait in great anticipation for it.

I like Shatner but he screwed up by agreeing to be killed off in GEN. Shame on him. He allowed Berman to let us down. This situation is his own fault. Deal with it and focus on your hit show Boston Legal and the new game show.

 

[Superman]

^^^Wow.

You need a beer.

I'd buy you one, but, you know.

Still, go have one. Or three.

You'll feel better.

Hang on, I'll go drink one for you.

\S/

 

[Broccoli]

How can he be written in? A bunch of different ways. With a pencil, pen, typed, Crayola, etc.

 

[LoneStranger]

By 'written in' I think they mean ironing out a fair contract.

 

[DarkAscent]

Well, too many big things happened in Generations to totally kick it out of continuity even though it deserves it.

I like the idea of just ignoring it from that one standpoint.
Either that or they could think of a way to pull another copy of him out of the Nexus. However, this would need to be very carefully done as to not make it appear as a forced and awkward "look at our big excuse to get him in the movie" moment.

Also remember the inside of the Nexus exists outside time and space. Kirk can pretty much show up when and where he wants to forever. Any half competent creative writer should be able to come up with a smooth, convincing way to work him in.

 

[StarMan]

How can Shatner be written into the film.

Q brings him back!

 

[Aragorn]

Maybe Kirk finds out he IS a Q!

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Zachary Smith said:

backstept said:

fudgefase said:
Now I realise that I have a serious problem with time travel and spacial anomalies, but once you're in the V-thingy (the energy wave that was going across the sky in the Gen film - I want to call it vortex or vector or something) don't you live in there forever. So in effect, isn't Kirk permanently alive in there - even though one of him 'came out' (so to speak) to save the world. If you went back in there, he'd still be there....

yeah, didn't Guinan appear to Picard when he was in the nexus, even though she left it when the B rescued them?

I always found it interesting that Guinan's "reflection" of herself that Picard encountered talked to him as though she knew him, even though Guinan entered and left the Nexus LOOOong before she ever MET Picrd or, in fact, before he was even born.

And,of course by using the word "interesting" I mean "stupid".

My hypothesis about the Nexus is that it is an out-of-control hypercomputer based on quantum gravity principles (perhaps using a Malament-Hogarth spacetime) and was inadvertently released upon the Galaxy by an advanced civilization (perhaps the Q Continuum). Such an artifact would exhibit the properties of an all-knowing oracle, and I would guess that all Picard's memories would be available to it as an "upload".

 

[Jack Bauer]

Just throw in a vague reference to the Shatnerverse novels about Kirk being resurrected some years previously.

 

[Bad_Will_Riker]

<3 Maxi Mounds!

*snip*

 

[DanTheGrey]

I will hope that at best any Shatner/Nimoy will be a narration at the beginning for some sort of archive about their earliest missions. And leave it as a voiceover, or some sort of ghostly sort of faces (like an old TV broadcast) during the opening credits.

Personally want as little of them as possible in the movie, ideally nothing at all. Would rather have the movie stand or fall on it's merits rather than all sorts of cute nods left right and centre.