Spoilers Hopes for the Third Season??
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TOS Pike: It's just that I can't get used to having a woman on the bridge.
Is that line actually in The Menagerie? Because The Cage doesn’t seem to fit with canon at all.
It wasn't in "The Menagerie", thankfully. Even back then, they knew the line was better left on the cutting-room floor.
Canon is canon. Doesn’t matter if it fits or not.
Best to ignore it then. Especially given how out of character it is for Pike after his season on Discovery. The Menagerie actually works better as an epilogue for Pike. He comes off being concerned with still protecting Spock, yet utterly captivated by the idea of using the Talosians to somewhat escape the fate he had accepted as permanent. While Spock is willing to sacrifice his life for the captain who risked his life and career to save him and took on a fate that saved the galaxy.
It was never aired, just a curiosity. They used the bits that still worked and abandoned the bits that didn’t. We don’t consider bloopers canon, why should we do the same for material never meant to be seen?
It was aired later on. It is also part of syndication packages and on streaming sites. It is part of the Trek mythology like the rest.
I think Pike's line is something not worth defending as canon.
And, anyway, we're only on this because of You Know Who.
It isn’t defending it. Canon is canon, much like Spock’s interesting rapist line in “The Enemy Within”.
Somethings are best left forgotten.
I don't like that line either. That's another thing I'd be okay with seeing quietly dropped.
Which is why you reboot and move on.
I don't believe in throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Rebooting over stupid lines -- and yes they are stupid -- is stupid.
And it has zip to do with the third season of DSC.
I wasn’t the one who started this particular thread of the conversation.
Yeah, I know. We can thank Kpnuts.
There's more to it than the lines, though they are a piece of the puzzle. There's also the stupid "we'll never talk about X again" papering over something that would've never been an issue in a reboot, there would've never been the need to send the ship/crew to another time in a reboot, there would've never needed to be their half-hearted attempt to fix the first season Klingons with wigs...
My hope for the third season is no TOS stuff. 
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It isn't even really female oriented. It has Burnham and then only Tilly as female characters in the main cast and Tilly was mostly forgotten in the later episodes of the season and had just some awkward one-liners. Less than a third of the main cast was female in season 2 and while there were a bunch of female supporting characters, it is not like there were no male supporting characters, too.
I wish we would really get a female dominated show one of these days. I wonder how some people would flip out then.
Wikipedia lists 8 main characters for the first two seasons, of which 6 are male, 2 female. of the ten recurring characters there's an even split.
Then we have a lot of people in the background whom most of us could barely name off the top of our heads who get a line or two once every few episodes.
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