Spoilers Hopes for the Third Season??

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by HaventGotALife, Jun 29, 2019.

  1. Kpnuts

    Kpnuts Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    How about letting us get to know Bryce and Rhys for once. I know they're male, and therefore not part of their "Future is Female" mantra, but I'd love to see some depth to this "family" they're so keen to emphasise.
     
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  2. Lord Garth

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  3. Awesome Possum

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    I’d like a trans character who is a human and not some wacky alien so they have to explain trans people using sci-fi. Just someone on the ship doing their job and treated as normal. If they’re friends with Tilly, even better.
     
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  4. BillJ

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    I agree that sloppy allegory is no longer the way to go. I just hope whatever characters they bring in are interesting, and it doesn't feel like we're being preached at. I do have high hopes in this regard as they did a really nice job with both Stamets and Culber, and the relationship between the two.
     
  5. HaventGotALife

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    I think the Tyler/Burnham, PTSD "sloppy allegory" was much better than Culber and Stamets. Stamets tells their relationship in dialogue "Do you Remember that time, when you whistled Kascelian Opera and I told you to shut up and you sat next to me? I knew in that moment, you were the right mix of brashness that I always loved about you!" Who talks like this?! People headed for divorce! Forced, contrived. That's the sloppy relationship on the show.

    Who said this allegory has to be slopppy. Meet a race, have a runaway on discovery be transgender, connect with another member of the crew who is, and help guide them, saving them from a bigoted world. Then, build that Starfleet character up, as a character, not a trans character, maybe have a later reveal they transitioned, and found a home on Discovery. Like, how Stamets is simultaneously running the spore drive and saving the crew while losing Hugh.
     
  6. BillJ

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    That was like watching two wet pieces of cardboard slap together. Martin-Green and Latif had zero chemistry, and the writing for them was juvenile. Their romance felt like it came directly from Rick Berman and company.
     
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  7. HaventGotALife

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    Are you kidding?

    While simultaneously serving the theme on the show about the struggle to stay yourself, the warrior--Voq--tries to kill Burnham. He embraces his animal side while contrasting Burnham, who has to play a leader in the Terran Empire. It serves as allegory, the war changed Ash in a science fiction way, that destroys Burnham's trust in him. An allegory for what those with PTSD, do to loved ones. He kills Hugh for not accepting his mask of sanity overlayed his mental state (Voq) while tying into Klingon history. That's one scene. Just one. Sloppy allegory would be "Hard Time." That was an intricate piece of writing.

    There's the time he tells her to let the war rage so she can stay out of prison. Using Star Trek's most famous Spock lines in doing so.
     
  8. BillJ

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    It was garbage, at least for me, sorry. :shrug:
     
  9. Awesome Possum

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    Representation is not about teaching lessons, it’s about normalizing groups to the point where you don’t ever need teaching lessons. We don’t need a very special episode to explain gay people anymore. TV has evolved since the 80s.
     
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  10. Tenacity

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    1) We find out there's a tartigrade technician working in engineering, they're not blue and can't travel through time/space. Their name is "Singer."

    2) Turn up the damned lights already.

    3) Make it more of a ensemble cast, take what we're currently getting and make it more, less prominence of a certain main cast member.
    Yes, and go beyond that. There's a lot of people outside the ninety percentile of the bell curve, let's see more of them, and they're all "just someone on the ship doing their job and treated as normal." Stretch it out.
    Good God, but could it be more obvious. Not saying it's the fault of the two actors, sometimes there just isn't on screen chemistry.

    Maybe the chemistry is noticeable on set, just not on camera.
     
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  11. Awesome Possum

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    I liked them. But they do come off as two broken people trying to fix themselves by fixing each other, which may have been intentional. One was a human raised on Vulcan trying to recover her humanity and the other was brainwashed Klingon who thought he was a tortured human, both being a little off would make perfect sense because neither really know how to be a normal human couple. It was doomed from the start and not just because Ash was a sleeper agent.
     
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  12. Lord Garth

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    When the non-binary character is introduced in Discovery's third season, I think it'll be a Human. To do otherwise would be a cop-out. So, by extension, this means we'll have at least some idea of what happened to Humanity in the new time-frame. Even if it's only the partial story.

    I say this because if the character is supposed to be 16, then they're most likely not a member of Discovery's crew.

    I expect the character being non-binary to be a non-issue on the actual show itself.
     
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    Yeah, I hate that total female dominance on a ship whose three captains (including the 1st officer acting up) thus far have been male.
     
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    Canon is not a potential problem for the show, only for the fans.
     
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    This just came to my mind, but I hope that if the Discovery finds itself in a dangerous and hostile region, it will actually show some battle damage on the long term, maybe with some makeshift patchwork repairs as well. And of course, scarce resources, maybe even to the point of the crew having to trade goods and services. If we take the turbolift funhouse at face value and interpret it as underutilized space in the engineering section, there's ample place to establish a hydroponic garden to alleviate the energy needs of the food synthesizers, for example. It could even involve the uniforms getting more worn and damaged over time - if there's a scarcity of resources, then it would be wasteful to replicate a new uniform jacket because the old one was torn. Just sew it back together or patch it as long as it's more or less intact.

    So, with all that being said, I really hope that if the Discovery has to survive on its own, then the key matters of survival and their consequences won't be glossed over.
     
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    At the time the first few episodes were completely ready with special effects and everything, most of the later scripts were already written. If they even showed early episodes to focus groups which is risky because of spoilers leaking.

    And of course focus groups are diverse groups. I can garantuee that TPTB didn't only target hardcore Star Trek fans with DIS. No new series of a franchise only wants old viewers. They always want to reach new viewers, people new to the franchise, too. So whatever focus groups there might have been would have included tons of non Star Trek fans and people who have only watched Star Trek really casually here and there before. If the majority of them really reacted negative to something like the Klingons, then maybe because they were crap and not because everyone are "whiny canonists" as you put it.
     
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    This for sure........ I like the way you think.
     
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    I've got to be honest, I'm tired of "dangerous and hostile." What if they just found themselves in a completely unexplored and wonderous time and place in the Galaxy, and spent their time unlocking mysteries, solving riddles, meeting (truly) alien species that need to be communicated with / understood, etc?

    I could honestly go for some of that.
     
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  19. BillJ

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    You're about thirty to forty years too late for that kind of Trek.
     
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  20. pst

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    i'd like
    1. a better balance between episodic and serialized storytelling.
    2. a future that is truly alien.
    3. more time with the characters and this is the opportunity for it... we've got a skeleton crew in a new, unknown world. the show can look inward, give us stories about life aboard a ship out of time and how that affects our characters and their relationships. let us get to know these people without it being life or death, life alone can be interesting.