Spoilers Hopes for the Third Season??

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by HaventGotALife, Jun 29, 2019.

  1. Jadeb

    Jadeb Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    It would tie in with the Alice references too. They've gone through the looking glass, as it were, and I'd love if what they find was equal parts dangerous and wondrous. With the quality of CGI and SFX this show enjoys, they could do some amazing, mind-bending stuff unlike anything we've seen in Trek.

    That said, I've fully braced myself for a budget-friendly dystopian future where Burnham has to rebuild the Fed'rashun/right what once went wrong.
     
  2. Ríu ríu chíu

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    I hope they steer clear of the "fall of the Federation".

    They can spend however much time they like outside the Federation, but don't destroy it. That would be, to coin a phrase, a major bummer.

    Make it a bit hard to view any Trek series or movie, knowing what will eventually happen... :(
     
  3. XCV330

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    Less Universe Ending Threats That Burnham Is Teh Key To Preventing. Actually, no more of those. no more universe ending threats period.

    Don't just use Tilly for comic relief. That's uncool.

    Klingons. Don't. Enough.

    Dos:

    Keep exploring the nature of post-resurrection Culber. I like it. They tried that a little with TOS Spock in the movie era but never had enough time.

    New worlds and new civilizations.

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  4. Trinity Jinglebrocks

    Trinity Jinglebrocks All hail Doctor 13 Premium Member


    I wish they had explored what Spock felt post death, if he had experienced any kind of afterlife, and then was yanked back to the real world.
     
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  5. Delta Vega

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    I think Culber should turn bad, or rogue
    A price to be paid for returning from the dead
    Gradual changes to his psyche, like a new version of Evil Kirk
     
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  6. Norsehound

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    Show us how much of a mistake it was to send the ship into the future (ie if Discovery was still present in the 23rd century bad things could have been avoided). Kirk & Picard's time averted because the ship wasn't there and the Federation fell early, etc. The whole season they figure out they must return, but Discovery can't.

    Wasn't a fan of sending the plot into the future. Discovery was fine where she was, showing us more of the 23rd century Trek showrunners seem... oddly averse to telling more stories about.
     
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  7. eschaton

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    As I said at the time, I think part of the problem is that Kurtzman doesn't seem able to conceive of how to do a season of a serialized science fiction show without epic stakes like the end of Earth/the Federation/the multiverse. I think that repeatedly "going big" is a huge mistake - that the show should be rooted in the personal stakes of the characters. But if you presume every single season needs to have an existential threat, and the show remains a prequel, the timeline will just get less and less plausible the closer you get to when TOS was supposed to begin.
     
  8. HaventGotALife

    HaventGotALife Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    If they touch on the Federation, my hopes is that they do something along these lines:

    --The Federation discovers a new power somewhere in uncharted space. They make peace, the Borg and Dominion in the back of their minds, and are essentially conquered by them. Federation decisions are not made by San Francisco, but on some distant world.
    --Xenophobes, playing into the theme of "Remain Klingon" and "Pure Vulcans" formed a Maquis-like sect within the Federation that helped facilitate this "conquer through Peace," as the Federation tried to keep this powder keg from exploding. The treaty was to end this without more ammunition in the gun of the xenophobes, and therefore, stop a two-front war before it began. It would've been another bloody war, but there was no political will to fight it this time. As they gained traction, roles of the Federation citizens joining Starfleet went down, the exploration missions were pulled back, and then this power was discovered. Their government offered an easy way out--peace--and essentially the Federation was conquered in a bloodless coup. The xenophobes create a situation where it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Federation, to survive, then remains in space, talking of high-minded ideals, but not living up to them, making deals and carrying out the missions of this power, justifying it at home, as the Federation citizens grow more disheartened at being in space. The xenophobes want Earth for Earth, and the Federation to disband.
    --A theme from here, and Discovery is not going to like this reality at all, is that the Federation citizens have lost the one thing they cannot lose--their spirit. Which, then informs the decision to remain in this reality, and keep the decision from being regretted.
     
  9. darrenjl

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    The whole season is going to be the drip drip realisation that the V'draysh is the Federation and viewers will have worked it out by the end of episode 1.
     
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  11. tomalak301

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    I guess my big hope for season three is to have this crew feel like a cohesive crew. How about involving Rhys and Brice in a storyline. How about doing more with Owausikan (yes I’m sorry I spelt that wrong) and Detmer. I liked the two of them working together in the premiere. The thing I took away from season 2 was no one really cares about the Discovery Crew because it was all about Pike and Spock. I want to care about the Discovery Crew because I think this could be an outstanding cast.
     
  12. Cake

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    They can't be so stupid. I mean a producer already confirmed that the V'draysh is the Federation.

    https://www.tor.com/2019/05/14/star...-could-suggest-the-future-federation-is-evil/

    So using this as a mystery would be more than lame.
     
  13. SJGardner

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    Do twists mean anything at this point anymore? I mean, we live in the internet era. There's practically no twist nowadays that hundreds of thousands of fans discussing (and flat-out dissecting) a series wouldn't figure out sooner or later. The moment there's a bit of foreshadowing, the rumor mill starts turning. How long was R+L=J being floated in the ASoIaF fandom before GoT confirmed it? Babylon 5 fans figured out Sinclair being Valen all the way back to the first season before it was revealed two years later, and the list goes on.

    The only way the show can avoid the fans seeing a twist coming from a hundred miles away would be to have shocking swerves without any setup, just for the sake of having twists. But if you know that fans are going to figure it out anyway, then the only way you can do justice to it is to at least write the reveal and all of its fallout well. For example, the crew could be explicitly shown to suspect that the V'draysh is the Federation right from the start, but they wouldn't have any evidence, only rumors and second-hand information (theoretically, they can find themselves in a place that the Federation has only yet begun exploring), so instead of a twist, the power of the reveal could come from us finally learning what the Federation actually looks like.
     
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  14. King Bob!

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    Burnham being the Red Angel would argue with this conclusion. :lol:
     
  15. HaventGotALife

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    It is true--i think we are a little smarter than we used to be, based on the collective discussions online (the visceral like of Star Trek Insurrection was sharpened by people questioning me on here seven years ago, and having to defending my opinion, recently re-watching the same movie to look over the coloring, set-design, and lighting to see why it appealed more than Star Trek VI), DVD commentaries and featurettes allowed us to peer into the minds of creators (for instance, hearing that the Borg assimilation was a mind "rape" of Picard, that DS9 had few episodes of the series like Rejoined where our taboo is never commentated, but the Trills...) added to our collective knowledge, and we have more Liberal Arts degrees, including Cinema and Drama classes, than any other degree, coming out of the Great Recession (meaning they create the businesses, I personally learned a lot about logic and writing with my studies), that we are an audience who will not accept what we did ten or twenty years ago.

    I was watching "Nor the Battle to the Strong," and Jake runs from the explosions to find a soldier wounded on a dune. Remember?

    The poorly-drawn, ancillary character doesn't live and breathe. He is a device to teach Jake a lesson, and I was insulted after something like "The Visitor," where Jake's wife, just as integral and internal as this man, in relationship to Jake, was more of a person, than an idea. He's there to pound over the audience's head that Jake don't know war, he is weak, civillian. It's completely superfluous. Jake needed not a tough guy, or a deserter who shoots himself in the foot, or to stumble through the hills over dead bodies, but a story of connection to one human being--just one--that teaches him the realities of war.

    His story, as written in VO, is cheesy, with no original angles. It could've been written by a 12-year-old, in America, 300 years before. Cliche.

    If I were doing it, I'd build through conversation, a connection with one of the triage victims. He stays by his side and then slowly reveals to Jake what he had done, in this war. Allegorical conversations of childhood experiences, or past lives, before the war. He's a civilian, so offering aid in the form of emotional support, and being naive, getting too close to a human face in the middle of the war, cloaks this lesson in realism. And, then reveal at the end of the episode that this person committed an atrocity, and Jake has been talking with a deserter or someone who took too much pleasure in killing, or who dies with the weight of his decision that killed all those people on the colony. He got the Farragut destroyed by contacting them when he shouldn't, etc. And that Jake is conflicted over liking this person, but knowing how badly they screwed up.

    These thoughts ran through my mind during the scene with the soldier on the dune. We are a more fickle bunch for a reason, I think. They smartened us through education and conversation and technology. It's always in the hands of the user, subject to taste. But, we can see things as they occur.

    For one, I knew before the Tribble in Into Darkness, Khan's blood was about to save Kirk's life. I was muttering it in the death scene. I wasn't even paying attention to the dialogue because A. I've seen II, and B. Khan's blood.

    We're not stupid.
     
  16. Kpnuts

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    If you can't see how female dominated the show is you need your eyes checked. Especially after seeing the Enterprise bridge, it's pretty clear. Hell they even held a "Future if Female" convention panel a year or so ago!

    Like I said, I'd like to see them develop the male bridge officers for once. Well that and not introduce a moron/condescending male character just to kill him off and have the feminists cheering.
     
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  17. fireproof78

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    Pike, Spock, Saru.
     
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  19. King Bob!

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    I'm not sure what the big deal is that one of the six shows we have so far, is female oriented?
     
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  20. Grendelsbayne

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    Partially female oriented, at that. Apparently anything less than 60-70% men is unacceptable.
     
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