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Hope Hicks, Donald & Melania Trump Contract COVID
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Something else you might want to note for future reference: You don't get to decide when a discussion is over.
Speaking of which, how do I get rid of the Red Shirt tag?
(Short of beaming down to an alien planet and beaming back up still alive...)
You explained they had good reasons and I pretty much agree, I only wish I had anticipated their reasons not being based on much real information on the virus at the time but things like conserving masks and to keeping the focus on washing hands. Dont cases in that period matter or is it only the ones Trump caused?
But what are you suggesting here that doesnt undermine them, spin it in a positive way or be silent about it? Not much acceptance of different views here if instead of sharing their own experiences, it becomes attacking the next guy until they entrench in a position or leave.
They all happened on Trump's watch. Just like all 11 deaths that happened from Ebola on Obama's watch (that Trump was highly critical of). Trump's responsibility was to set an example for the nation (which I hope he will now do, now that he is experiencing the virus firsthand), which he failed spectacularly to do. The people who reject masks are responsible for their actions if the are listening to the Pied Piper of Bankruptcy instead of science and common sense.
That's exactly what they were saying in this Feb 29, 2020 NYT article.
“There are severe strains on protective equipment around the world,” said Dr. Michael J. Ryan, executive director of the health emergency program at the World Health Organization, during a briefing on Friday. “Our primary concern is to ensure that our front line health workers are protected and that they have the equipment they need to do their jobs.”
Dr. Ryan said masks primarily prevent a person from giving the disease to someone else.
“There are limits to how a mask can protect you from being infected,” he said. “The most important thing everyone can do is wash your hands, keep your hands away from your face and observe very precise hygiene.”
Dr. Ryan said masks primarily prevent a person from giving the disease to someone else.
“There are limits to how a mask can protect you from being infected,” he said. “The most important thing everyone can do is wash your hands, keep your hands away from your face and observe very precise hygiene.”
For religion and politics being generally verboten is that people have very ingrained feelings and emotions on them. And generally, you can talk till your green blood oozes from ur eyes and not change there opinion, so usually it's completely useless and just makes people angry.
So going to the original theme. I hope they get better, as I hope all who are sick pull through and live another day. Doesn't matter if it was trump, biden, or Chuthulu ( all hail the Octo god, may his merciful shadow fall upon you)
So going to the original theme. I hope they get better, as I hope all who are sick pull through and live another day. Doesn't matter if it was trump, biden, or Chuthulu ( all hail the Octo god, may his merciful shadow fall upon you)
First of all, I do hope they'll get better. I don't wish anyone dead, plus I want them to be healthy enough to stand trial someday. However, I reserve most of my compassion for those victims who don't have access to first-class medicine, and who trusted their president when he downplayed the virus, mocked people for wearing masks or social distancing, and denied responsibility for dealing with the virus threat.
Apparently, Trump knew at the very least that Hicks had been tested positive when he arrived at the debate, too late to do the pre-debate "mandatory" testing...
Looks like the Rose Garden cermony was the super-spreading event that got many ore Republicans infected. Some call it "The Red Vetting" now... Trump sent his regards?
ETA: Trump, highly infectious, took the opportunity for a nice driveby, greeting his adoring fans. In a sealed car, how nice for the secret service people who had to accompany him. Are you fucking kidding me?!
Please ignore the first sentence of this post.
Apparently, Trump knew at the very least that Hicks had been tested positive when he arrived at the debate, too late to do the pre-debate "mandatory" testing...
Looks like the Rose Garden cermony was the super-spreading event that got many ore Republicans infected. Some call it "The Red Vetting" now... Trump sent his regards?
ETA: Trump, highly infectious, took the opportunity for a nice driveby, greeting his adoring fans. In a sealed car, how nice for the secret service people who had to accompany him. Are you fucking kidding me?!
Please ignore the first sentence of this post.
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You can probably count on him doing the opposite. "Totally overblown, I barely felt anything, wearing masks is for suckers..."
That's pretty sad, I have to agree. While I understand Trump's desire to reassure his fans, putting others in harm's way is inexcusable.
The CDC and WHO were operating based on past precedent with other coronaviruses like SARS and MERS until they learned enough about Covid-19 to adapt to it and formulate a response. That's what you're supposed to do. Your criticism is like blaming them for not being psychic and knowing every detail of this novel coronavirus from the start.
The Trump administration on the other hand deliberately concealed information for political gain, mislead and lied to the public, withheld funding to state and municipal governments in need based on political grudges and whether it was a blue state/city or red state, and spread false treatment methods that resulting in a far higher number of infections, post-treatment complications, and deaths (209,000+ and counting).
How are those in any way comparable?
This isn't a disagreement over tax policy or government regulation. People are dying by the tens of thousands and you and others are spreading irresponsible misinformation that discourages other ill-informed people from listening to the experts, and it's unacceptable and dangerous.
So no, I'm not going to coddle you and let you say whatever you want without calling it out.
I'm just saying what happened when I did listen to them, I didnt feel that was misinformation. We weren't wearing masks when we should have been, except that came from credible experts and not a politician who is easy to ignore. "we don't know yet but here are our recommendations on past precedents" might have been better than "Stop buying masks. They are not effective at stopping the spread." It seems achievable without psychic powers just a little forethought.
I already agreed that reserving masks for the front line was a good enough reason though.
I already agreed that reserving masks for the front line was a good enough reason though.
The only thing that I can think of is the Mask thing, and that wasn't Trumps fault, it was the CDC, Who, and Fauci and other doctors who said that Masks weren't needed. They could have just said, Yes, please use a mask, but please try to save N95's and other surgical masks for first responders and hospitals, wear a bandana, scarf, some type of cloth face covering. But they didn't, they said don't bother there useless.
Oh, for god's sake. Do you guys all get your information from the same place? That is a gross mischaracterization of what happened and the reasoning for it. Stop with the misinformation.
Masks are pretty mush useless in preventing a wearer from getting an airborne disease; you need a fit-tested respirator for that. You wear the non-respirator masks to prevent the wearer of the mask from spreading the disease. IOW, this is why you are wearing the masks:
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Just based on the ridiculous panic buying that went on regarding toilet paper (among other things) I'm betting that would not have worked.
Conservatives don't believe in doing things for others. Their lives revolve around controlling women, keeping minorities down and how many zeroes they have in their bank accounts.
Well we do know that practically No One wears the masks right, they continuly ajust it, glasses fog up cuz its ill fitting and the air just goes in and out the top or side, wearing throw away types for weeks instead of after every use. and the "gaiters" are worse than nothing since its said if you sneeze with it on it aerisolizes it.. So masks as uses is a basically better than nothing approach, not saying not use them, especially for those who are at risk.
They never said that masks weren't needed. They said that based on what they knew at the time, the costs outweighed the benefits. Besides compromising the supply to healthcare workers if the general public had stockpiled masks in that critical period, costs included the risks of exposure from a false sense of security, from incorrect usage, and from potential self-contamination by incorrectly handling moist masks while disposing of them.
More here: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...ience-hasn-t-changed-public-guidance-n1173006
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