Allegedly...
Hey, I never noticed that before....
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Allegedly...
Velcro didn't invent it's self.
Nah - the ending scene between Spock and Rand in TOS S1 - "The Enemy Within" beats that for sexism, hands down.
With close ups of wiggling backsides, Eve saying "you don't want a woman to cook, sew and cry" etc. I wonder, did a man or woman write this episode?
Written by Stephen Kandel, based on a story by Gene Roddenberry..With close ups of wiggling backsides, Eve saying "you don't want a woman to cook, sew and cry" etc. I wonder, did a man or woman write this episode?
I'm aware. I was asking rhetorically with a dollop of irony
A random thought: kicking would provide the opportunity to show off a woman's legs whereas punching would not?
I was watching the Avengers the other day and Emma Peel had some fight scene in sensible pants but I noticed that her scene fighting other women were heavily cut. We got to see when men fought her but nothing when she fought another lady - just that the enemy woman was tied up at the end of the fight. I can only think there were rules on TV at the time stopping women hitting other women or women being hit. I don't know. I suppose it could have been an artistic decision but it seems so strange to me watching the scenes.
The point was that the miners didn't want wives to be their life partners and helpmates; all they wanted were trophy wives who were beautiful (and maybe good in bed). That's just as relevant today as it was in 1966.With close ups of wiggling backsides, Eve saying "you don't want a woman to cook, sew and cry" etc. I wonder, did a man or woman write this episode?
Today, sure. But in 1966 that wasn’t the general view of a wife even though she dud a lot more than cook and sew. And really how many in 1966 could foresee how much society would change in the decades to come?
I'm not disagreeing, it was a different time, but just one line of Eve offering to be anything other than the stereotypical emotional female would go a long way. The Enterprise had a bunch of smart ladies and starfleet extremely competent had female attorneys. Giving Eve a skill other than cooking, sewing and crying would have been nice and something I can see Dorothy Fontana pushing for had she been actually writing on a regular at that time.
There a lot of little things it would have been nice to have seen in TOS. But it wasn’t just a different era. There was the ceaseless pressure of getting these episodes in the can. They could be forgiving for missing things.
Hell, even the great SF writers creating far future worlds were often still thinking in terms of 1949s and 1950s society. I remember reading some of Asimov’s robot books where the everyday lifestyle was so very ‘40s/‘50s.
Seeing Uhura in charge ONCE (instead of someone like DeSalle) would have been huge. Or even Kirk saying, “Uhura you have the con.” Or seeing a woman as a starship Captain, Starfleet Admiral or Commodore would have been significant as well as validating the role of Number One in “The Cage.”
Hell, even the great SF writers creating far future worlds were often still thinking in terms of 1949s and 1950s society. I remember reading some of Asimov’s robot books where the everyday lifestyle was so very ‘40s/‘50s.
Seeing Uhura in charge ONCE (instead of someone like DeSalle) would have been huge. Or even Kirk saying, “Uhura you have the con.” Or seeing a woman as a starship Captain, Starfleet Admiral or Commodore would have been significant as well as validating the role of Number One in “The Cage.”
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Oh yes, I agree. Those first few episodes were obviously done in a hurry. Some of the editing gaffes are evidence of that. Mudd's Women and Charlie X have more continuity errors than some of the later episodes. The Man Trap has a few also. I don't mind them just as I don't mind the stuff I was talking about. Just saying Mudd's Woman was written very much with a male POV and is one of those episodes that really shows its age more than some others.
I still prefer Mudd himself in this episode than in the second season. He deserves his fate in this but I, Mudd seemed cruel.
I still prefer Mudd himself in this episode than in the second season. He deserves his fate in this but I, Mudd seemed cruel.
Technically Number One was already validated. By including the first pilot footage in the two-parter “The Menagerie” as backstory they were establishing a woman could be in command in TOS’ universe. The downside is whereas as Number One was a major character in the first pilot she was a bit character in “The Menageie.” Uhura was a more prominent character in TOS than Number One.
Nonetheless Janice Lester was full of shit.
Nonetheless Janice Lester was full of shit.
I know of the McCoy close up in Mudd's Women and the change of shirt for Kirk in Charlie X. Plus the footage of Uhura in the navigator position from Balance of Terror. What other examples spring to mind?
Well, "Charlie X" had a bunch but off the top of my head...
"When I came aboard!"
Reaction shots of Uhura on the bridge after Charlie storms off. She goes from fearful, to bordering on tears and back.
When Spock says "out of the question" it looks like it was filmed during a different episode altogether
I'll have to review "Mudd's Women" again, but I remember Ruth's close up being used in a lot of different scenes, close ups of Kirk from "The Man Trap" which don't match his uniform fit or expression. A lot of patchwork editing in the pre-credits with very obvious Nimoy & Takei overdubbing to fill in the gaps.
"When I came aboard!"
Reaction shots of Uhura on the bridge after Charlie storms off. She goes from fearful, to bordering on tears and back.
When Spock says "out of the question" it looks like it was filmed during a different episode altogether
I'll have to review "Mudd's Women" again, but I remember Ruth's close up being used in a lot of different scenes, close ups of Kirk from "The Man Trap" which don't match his uniform fit or expression. A lot of patchwork editing in the pre-credits with very obvious Nimoy & Takei overdubbing to fill in the gaps.
