As society evolved, though, it became bigotry. Those gender roles started making less and less sense, and eventually, a new generation allowed them to evolve with society. But they had to get to a point where maintaining the gender roles had a negative impact on the stories they wanted to tell before they allowed them to evolve.
Hey, I never noticed that before....
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I think the women kicking/punching thing is more down to the preferences of individual producers than any official sort of policy. So I don't think that "censorship" is the right term.
It's a shame for a good Spocksman to admit it, but I don't recognize this image. (Therefore, "I never noticed that before"!) Could someone tell me the provenance of this?
It's a shame for a good Spocksman to admit it, but I don't recognize this image. (Therefore, "I never noticed that before"!) Could someone tell me the provenance of this?
Looks like the scene in LTBYLB where Kirk and Spock are entertaining Bele.
I swear I've mentioned this before (but can't find a record of it), but in the TOS stock shot of the Enterprise orbiting a planet in profile (as seen in Season 2 and 3 opening credits), the lights in the shuttle bay turn off. I've always wondered if these were in fact blinking lights (which I've never seen in other stock shots but have seen in various model builds), a mistake (the bulb burned out while filming) or intentional (Kirk's got a date on the observation deck and is making his move...)
And probably the scene where this interesting exchange took place:Looks like the scene in LTBYLB where Kirk and Spock are entertaining Bele.It's a shame for a good Spocksman to admit it, but I don't recognize this image. (Therefore, "I never noticed that before"!) Could someone tell me the provenance of this?
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I've always loved the fact that BOTH Kirk and Spock assume/make a statement that in context is either somewhat bigoted/biased - IE assuming that their race MUST have been 'mono-colored' (IE all white or all black) at some point. Yep VERY 'forward thinking' for the 23rd century.
Yes. Kirk and Spock visiting with Commissioner Bele in Bele's quarters in "Let That Be Your Last Battefield."It's a shame for a good Spocksman to admit it, but I don't recognize this image. (Therefore, "I never noticed that before"!) Could someone tell me the provenance of this?
A bit more info here:
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/props-re-used.81174/page-19#post-2816559
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Scotty was trying out the new "Clapper" that Captain Kirk gave him for Christmas.I swear I've mentioned this before (but can't find a record of it), but in the TOS stock shot of the Enterprise orbiting a planet in profile (as seen in Season 2 and 3 opening credits), the lights in the shuttle bay turn off. I've always wondered if these were in fact blinking lights (which I've never seen in other stock shots but have seen in various model builds), a mistake (the bulb burned out while filming) or intentional (Kirk's got a date on the observation deck and is making his move...)
In Whom Gods Destroy, Kirk and Spock/Garth head towards the control room. In the scene where Spock stuns the Tellarite, the lower left corner of the sceen shows that a whole floor tile is missing.
NO, IT'S NOT BIGOTED!! Sorry, but people's anti-racism trigger is now set so delicately and sensitively that people will cry "racism" before thinking it through. Any statement relating to skin color in any way can fall victim to this.
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One of the interesting things about this story is the baffling question of how these people came to be this way, with a sudden, jarring change in coloring, right down the middle of their faces, vertically. I like the fact that they expect the audience to be smart and perhaps science oriented, and question askers. They didn't feel the need to spell out completely what's so bizarre about the coloring, but it is this: How could any environment produce this sharp, opposite pigmentation? I think they wonder aloud if it's a tattoo, something man-made. It's not. How could natural selection produce something like this? Or mutation? The environment? We are supposed to be wondering this, along with Kirk, Spock, and McCoy.
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Whatever the cause, it's pretty certain that there was a cause, of some kind. Life isn't just going to spring up on some planet with faces split into exactly even black and white halves. That's what Spock's saying. He's not expressing some racist bias for "monochromes". Pause and remember who we're talking about, what show this is, and the fact that this is their big anti-racism episode...
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"Bigoted" is an extreme charge.
You mean *gulp* that every part of their bodies are half White and half Black.
It's a five o'clock world when the whistle blows..It's a shame for a good Spocksman to admit it, but I don't recognize this image. (Therefore, "I never noticed that before"!) Could someone tell me the provenance of this?
I wonder how Bele or Lokai would treat an individual that was black on the left side of his face but white on the same side? If all the people were the same there must have been the odd mutant here and there somehow! 
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Tragic that we never got the Bele figure that was almost released back in the eighties by Playmates! Still brings a tear 
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Thanks, all! No wonder I didn't recognize it. Last Battlefield is not one I watch frequently.
I agree. It's just an application of the basic evolutionary idea that life develops from simpler forms to more complex.
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Well crap.Tragic that we never got the Bele figure that was almost released back in the eighties by Playmates! Still brings a tear
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I loved the Spock/Bele chat where the Commissioner said how happy he was that Vulcan survived it's prehistory savagery! But was he sincere or just going through the motions...
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Like with all mealy-mouthed official people, a bit sincere but mainly it's just a little diplomatic or conversational lubricant. That whole scene is pretty clever. I enjoy and despise his dropping in of the remark about our being descended from "apesss...", and the context and timing of it.
Maybe the Cherons were descended from mint humbugs instead then? 
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In The Ultimate Computer as Kirk, Spock and McCoy are exiting the turbo lift to check out the M-5 computer, McCoy says "Very funny" to Spock, but his lips never move.
