Hey, I never noticed that before....
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He really was Trek’s version of Morbius from Forbidden Planet. I think he might have survived until TNG. Section 31 might try to resurrect him…hook him up to the device seen in TNG’s “The Schizoid Man.” Same with the suicide Q from Voyager…Quinn from “Death Wish.”
You wouldn’t get everything…but a good outline.
So why do most great artists study?
Nothing to suggest one couldn't learn, given enough time. Skill is skill: repeat ten thousand times and you get good, and Flint can do that ten thousand times over.
Saving the day?
His actions were the only ones that made any difference. Spock and McCoy both appeared to lack the intuition required to realize what it was all about, what the one weakness of the supervillain was, and how to proceed. Just like in pretty much every other episode of TOS!
She's the weak link. Kirk always attacks the weakest link, being a clever guy; it's just a side benefit if said link happens to be a young and pretty woman (as in pretty much every other episode of TOS!) and the tactically most expedient attack is seduction.
(We sorta know Kirk's usual type: older blondes, like Ruth and Carol. But we also see he always goes against that type in TOS, presumably because it's all business rather than pleasure.)
Why? It would appear quite a bit counterproductive to have a fembot portrayed by somebody who'd insert life and personality to the character...
Well, the main trio didn't. And they probably were feverish enough, since neither Spock nor McCoy was capable of rational action, and only Kirk was able to see the tactical picture. So we sorta learn what the disease looks like in action. Until it gets to the bubonic plague phase, that is...
Agreed on TOS needing more gore, though.
Timo Saloniemi
But again, Flint lies. He has faked his death hundreds or thousands of times already, under various types of scrutiny, from the "sandal in the groin" test to the "a contemporary of Phlox scans the body with the tri-isoframmistat" one; what reason would we have to think he's actually gonna crock it now? McCoy's word? Bah! If you're gonna believe he can shrink starships, fooling space shrinks should be considered a done deal.
Flint is a great con man. Beyond that, though, he has cobbled together some unusually clever androids - basically being Noonien Soong a century early at best. Having a shrink ray would not be consistent with that.
...Or with his other actions. His main goal here is to use Kirk to trigger the next step of evolution in his fembot. But he needs to cheat left and right to accomplish that, stalling with the medicine, telling lies he will easily be caught on. He does not project any great power there. Other than that of psychological manipulation, and that's all he accomplishes with the "shrinking" of the ship, too.
Timo Saloniemi
... and they could still be under the spell of the Talosians ...
Flint wasn't a villain, full stop.
As if I said that Flint never lies.Kirk has lied. Should we start marking everything he says as "untrue"?
You mean, never dies? 'Cause that's the part you for some reason seem to wish to deny here.
Many a thing Flint says could have been true. But there's no pattern requiring any of it to be that. Flint lies for a living, literally - his whole existence is one big ongoing lie. Choosing to believe in something he actually wants Kirk or the audience to believe in should be a non-starter!
Timo Saloniemi
Many a thing Flint says could have been true. But there's no pattern requiring any of it to be that. Flint lies for a living, literally - his whole existence is one big ongoing lie. Choosing to believe in something he actually wants Kirk or the audience to believe in should be a non-starter!
Timo Saloniemi
Bullshit. There's no reason to believe he's over 5000 years old then, because we only have his say-so for that.* It's the fucking story.
The story isn't that Kirk, Spock, and McCoy encounter a con man pretending to be a bunch of historical figures.
What you're saying is absolutely absurd.
* - edited to add: And if Flint can put on a light show about the Enterprise getting shrunk, and deactivate phasers, then why can't he fool the tricorders about his medical readings? There's always an out, to pretzel-logic your way out of something you want to doubt, especially in a show like Star Trek where there are god-like aliens and advanced technology aplenty.
The story isn't that Kirk, Spock, and McCoy encounter a con man pretending to be a bunch of historical figures.
What you're saying is absolutely absurd.
* - edited to add: And if Flint can put on a light show about the Enterprise getting shrunk, and deactivate phasers, then why can't he fool the tricorders about his medical readings? There's always an out, to pretzel-logic your way out of something you want to doubt, especially in a show like Star Trek where there are god-like aliens and advanced technology aplenty.
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No, the story is that Kirk, Spock and McCoy encounter a con man being a bunch of historical figures. There's no steering around the con man part - that's the definition of what we see here.
"Absurd" in turn is devoid of meaning if the shrink ray isn't it. We can debate the shrink ray. We really can't debate whether Flint lies or not, though - now that would be absurd...
Timo Saloniemi
Check the circuit.
... and they could still be under the spell of the Talosians ...
A very special TOS crossover episode featuring Get Smart’s Agent 13, “Seeds of Khan-sequence.”
... and they could still be under the spell of the Talosians ...
During my somewhat more acerbic moods I'll occasionally propose that the entirety of the Trek franchise, from the moment Pike, Spock, Boyce, Tyler and a few others beam down to the surface and see the survivors up to the forthcoming "Prodigy" is all just a Talosian illusion. Every so often, the natives of that nuclear devastated world "flip the script" just to keep things interesting. Details don't mesh? Distortions of dream logic, either on the part of the slave performers or the Talosians themselves.
Space Adventure Trek. Star Cobra. Total ReKirk. We Remember it for You, Whole-Spock.
That scene looks fun. Who is the actress?
Get Smart was fun
Hey that idea about the Talosians that's actually not bad, Kirk and Co. didn't leave that planet at all. So everything is a dream and that includes all the odd numbered films
It’s actually a photoshopped gag. The scene is from TOS “Space Seed,” and here’s a thread about actress Madlyn Rhue: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/madlyn-rhue-in-twok.308839/
How do the Talosians determine what is 'canon'?
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