Hey, I never noticed that before....

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  1. ZapBrannigan

    ZapBrannigan Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    That was always the first thing I ever noticed in Lurry's office. I think it was one of the few times our show did an "all in-camera" fx shot of the Enterprise. They say it was a retail AMT model kit hanging in the window. Either that or a photo of the model:
    https://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x15/TOS_2x13_TheTroubleWithTribbles0181-Trekpulse.jpg

    This was the AMT Enterprise kit, which was painted a silver-gray color. It survived and went up for auction a few years ago:
    https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x15hd/thetroublewithtribbleshd0104.jpg

    This shot was a still photo of the 11-footer, composited in as a moving object.
    https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x15hd/thetroublewithtribbleshd0336.jpg
     
  2. Richard S. Aaaargh!

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    Very cool and sadly a little bit of trickery that we lose in TOS Remastered. I had no idea about any of that and thank you for a detailed explanation!
     
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    OMG wow yes..... I love these neat details that you might miss. They really did well here on this old show.
     
  4. Richard S. Aaaargh!

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    It's the kind of detail that they really didn't need to add. Nobody would have thought anything about it if it wasn't there. Even cooler, it must have been near invisible on a tiny 1960s TV screen. They did it, even if no-one would notice or care, because they cared...

    Marvellous and Beautiful.
     
  5. JonnyQuest037

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    TOS is filled with cool details like that. Like the report of Gary Mitchell's telepathic conversations with the natives of Deneb IV in WNMHGB that was onscreen for just a second or two. Or the brief mention of Christopher Pike as the previous Captain of the Enterprise in "Mirror, Mirror." The report on the Enterprise's previous visit to Talos IV in "The Menagerie." Or heck, even Shatner changing his costume, greying up his hair, and slapping on a fake mustache to play his own dead brother for a half second shot in "Operation -- Annihilate!" All of that shows that they cared about the details of their universe and would commonly go the extra mile to add to the verisimilitude of the series.
     
  6. IMC Headquarters

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    Okay. I'm too stupid to live.

    Before this month, I never cottoned on to the fact that the Romulan officer in "Balance of Terror" and Stonn in "Amok Time" were played by the same actor.

    In my defense, since Stonn had no lines, I never fully committed him to memory.

    Speaking of "Balance of Terror"... I have distinct memory of the elderly Centurion being played by John Hoyt. I say this with complete confidence because I did file him away excitedly as "It's Doctor Boyce from 'The Cage'!" Now am I delusional here, or simply still too stupid to live? You needn't answer. ;)
     
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  7. Vincent van Ghoul

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    He technically has two lines ;)

    But, yeah, he sounds little like Decius.

     
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    See? Too stupid to live. Weak brain...
     
  9. Okmyx

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    Interesting, but I think it was actually a model not a photo in the window, it was moving. That's how I noticed it.
     
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    Brain is brain, what is brain?
     
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  11. Neopeius

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    I'll let you know. Tonight, we watched "Arena" on the little TV, and in some ways, it was a superior experience!

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    (yes, that antenna really does go to the TV. :) )

    That actor is in everything in the 1960s. I just saw him on this weeks rerun of The F.B.I.
     
  12. Maurice

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    I keep a Sony Trinitron pro CRT for connecting vintage home computers and video game systms to, because the images were designed for that technology and never looks right on a modern flatscreen.
     
  13. publiusr

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    That looks odd--the secondary hull looks to have a deeper "chest" along with a lower sensor dome that seems more prominent--perhaps explaining the Trials and tribble-ations
    https://musingsofamiddleagedgeek.bl...tribble-ations-is-hip-deep-in-star-trek-love/

    There doesn't even seem to be a turbolift behind the bridge---due to the way the image was insertd perhaps? That may explain TAS drawings...
     
  14. ZapBrannigan

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    It was 1967. The visual fx guy might have cut out the 11-footer photo by hand with scissors. I wouldn't read too much into its precise contours. :)

    One thing that jumps out though is that the AMT kit had a smaller saucer diameter, which was done to save on plastic and shipping costs:
    https://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x15hd/thetroublewithtribbleshd0104.jpg
     
  15. publiusr

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    You have better eyes than I do.
    I would like to see Shaw’s AMT drawing and Kerr’s at the same scale.
     
  16. Elder Knight

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    Wow! I haven't even seen a cathode-ray TV set for about a decade. I'm surprised that they could still receive a modern broadcast.

    On the Florida coast, we always had a thunderstorm around 4 p.m. Eastern, which is when our local channel played Star Trek.
     
  17. Neopeius

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    Any TV can receive a modern broadcast with a digital antenna. That said, this one is using standard bunny ears -- the broadcast is analog on channel 9. :) It's just very limited range (so the FCC need not knock on our door)
    Oh dear -- ruined or just interfered with reception?
     
  18. Elder Knight

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    Less than optimal!

    I was doing software for NASA contractors back then, and they seemed to like to schedule launches in that time slot, something I never understood. Still, as I maintained the meteorological programs, they were keeping me busy!

    (Long ago here, I posted a screen shot of my TV picture with storm warnings on top and bottom plus other dingbats on the sides. You could sort of make out a vintage Trek episode in there, but you had to know it rather well.)

    Edit: It;s here!
    https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/a-different-sort-of-tosr-question-the-dvds.64924/#post-2014289
     
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  19. Maurice

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    What's the source for that assertion re the plastic and zine+shipping costs?
     
  20. ZapBrannigan

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    I read that so long ago, it's just become background knowledge to me, and the reference is not availing itself.

    But the AMT saucer diameter is proportionately a lot smaller than the saucers of the 11-footer and 33-inch studio model. That's an objective fact. And this would obviously save on the costs of plastic and weight when you're mass producing the kits. I just don't have a published citation for you.
     
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