Hey, I never noticed that before....

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  1. ssosmcin

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    It doesn’t look the same at all. The handle in Day of the Dove is decorative. The knives in Mirror, Morrir had everyone carrying uniform and very plain, functional daggers.
     
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  2. Commishsleer

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    I've just watched Doomsday Machine and was again surprised how regulations supported Decker. Looks like any passing Commodore could take over any ship. I thought being the captain of any ship was a big deal. I didn't think any senior officer could just take over whenever they felt like it. Could that happen in the US Navy today. I know that aircraft carrier captain was sacked recently bit again a 'big deal' not a part of regulations.
    Well what an excellent episode. Each time I see it I like it more and more. It had some good supporting parts from Washburn and Palmer. Just showing that other people can do their jobs on the Enterprise without taking anything from the leads.
    I felt it was a bad episode to miss for Nichols. You had Palmer doing a lot of good things. This may be controversial. But she looked a lot more competent than Uhura. She was down there helping to repair her console, spitting out the numbers for Spock and generally doing a good job. Maybe Nichols beauty and presence makes me take her less seriously as an officer. I wonder if she was in this episode would Nichols have done the same things as Palmer or would they have written her differently say worrying about Kirk, falling over gracefully.

    Anyway another good bit was where Decker refused to let Spock speak to Kirk at his station and made Spock come to him.
     
  3. Maurice

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    The part was written for Uhura.

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  4. ZapBrannigan

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    Another thing worth noticing in "The Doomsday Machine" is that its music score is in "leitmotif" style, meaning some characters and even some physical objects have their own individual themes. The transporter has a theme. The Constellation. The Shuttlecraft. Even a little thing like Sulu's Hangar door indicator light has a theme.

    It's pretty awesome the way this score "narrates" the whole story. It's a work of genius from start to finish that puts most feature film scores to shame.
     
  5. J.T.B.

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    Yes it could. Flag officers who are qualified to command at sea do have authority over a vessel's commanding officer, even if the flag officer is only aboard as a passenger, US Navy Regulations Art. 1031 Sec. 1. A captain or below, even if senior to the vessel's CO, would not have that authority. Being a captain is a big deal, but being an admiral is a bigger deal.

    The flip side of that is that if things went bad, the flag officer would bear most of the blame, too.

    What could not happen in the USN is the situation in "The Deadly Years," because Stocker would not be qualified to command at sea.
     
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  6. Dale Sams

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    I said it in another thread but I'll say it here too:

    In Way to Eden, when Sevrin is making his speech to Spock....nothing Sevrin says sounds particularly crazy, and its only started to be hand delivered to the audience when a Man Trap musical cue starts playing and Spock looks troubled.

    But its hilarious when it switches immediatly to Spock saying to Kirk "Captain, Dr. Sevrin is insane."

    This also has to be the worst edited (besides Alternative Factor) ep in the series. Between shots of Kirk with his uniform "mirror switched"....during one of Chekovs excrutiating scenes, the camera switches to Spock in his quarters for about 1.5 seconds for no reason whatsover.
     
  7. Dale Sams

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    I think, besides regulation, Kirk would be well served when he regains his youth in raking his bridge crew over the coals. Just as in Turnabout Intruder, some security guards should get demotions.

    Deadly Years: "The fuck is wrong with you all??? use your heads!!! I don't care if its in the regulations, a Commodore orders you to violate the Neutral Zone...you don't just go along with it!!"

    Turnabout Intruder: That dude who told Spock "You're as crazy as she is!!"
     
  8. ZapBrannigan

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    I disagree completely. Here's some of the transcript:

    SPOCK: What I fail to understand is why you disobey those orders.
    SEVRIN: Because this is poison to me. This stuff you breathe, this stuff you live in, the shields of artificial atmosphere that we have layered about every planet. The programs in those computers that run your ship and your lives for you, they bred what my body carries. That's what your science have done to me. You've infected me. Only the primitives can cleanse me. I cannot purge myself until I am among them. Only their way of living is right. I must go to them.
    SPOCK: Your very presence will destroy the people you seek. Surely you know that.
    SEVRIN: I shall go to them and be One with them. And together we shall build a world such as this galaxy has never seen. A world. A life. A life.


    Dr. Sevrin is delusional. He is convinced of demonstrably false beliefs, and impervious to reason. That's why Spock says he's insane.
     
  9. Maurice

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    Huh? Where does that happen? And is it in the original uncut version of the episode or the mangled for syndication edits?
     
  10. Dale Sams

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    In Auxilary Control about 35 mins in i think,
     
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  11. Dale Sams

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    So every pyramid power/ crystals healing/ toxins purging with hot tea believer is insane?
     
  12. ZapBrannigan

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    You moved the goalpost quite a bit there, so now I'd have to say it depends. If the "believer" is going to kill any number of people because his preposterous claim-- that comes out of nowhere-- overrides the known facts of reality, then I'd say his belief is a delusion and an earmark of insanity.

    Sevrin knows he's a carrier. He knows what that means. But he displays an extreme cognitive dissonance. His mind has constructed its own false reality to wave the problem away. He's delusional, he's psychotic, or as Spock put it, he's insane.

    I think what you were defending was Sevrin's back-to-nature jazz, but that's a separate issue. Another question is, why am I trying to "win" on the Internet? That's a dumb thing to do.
     
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  13. Dale Sams

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    You have a hard lip, Herbert. (J/K of course)


    Something i didn't notice til the other day....is how little McCoy is in the ep. For a little while I was wondering if he were in it at all. Some situations would come up, and I'd think "OK, we'll see McCoy now," And nope. It would be someone else.

    I know the episode was supposed to be centered around him and his daughter....did Kelly get miffed when it was changed and say, "Just give all my lines away too!"
     
  14. Maurice

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    Ah, 27:15 into the episode. I think that cut is what they call a "seagull" in the film biz: you don't have a workable shot to make an edit so you cut away to a seagull flying overhead or something. Maybe they excised a chunk or dialog or had to splice two takes together that resulted in a jump cut.
     
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    I took a quick look at the script and they rearranged a couple of scenes in editing, deleted a voice-over, and added a captain's log voice-over (this latter not covered in this discussion). Notably, the scene immediately before the one that starts at 25:44 -- that is, the scene that starts at 24:03 with a dolly pull-back shot of Spock inserting a tape into his computer -- occurs after it in the script, at the start of the Act III. In the scene that starts at 24:03, Spock is actually analyzing the material that Chekov had sent him from Auxiliary Control. Also, a voice-over from Spock, and perhaps a shot of him in his quarters, was omitted from the finished episode at the start of the scene beginning at 25:44. I think the omitted material at the beginning of the scene at 25:44 might make the short bit with Spock at 27:15 a little more understandable.

    But then, I could be all wet from the seagull.
     
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    It's to set up the idea that Chekov is working with Spock and gets yelled at, right? I think it's just cluing us into that so we know why he gets chewed out. How, by the way, is the whole ep on dailymotion without CBS getting on them?
     
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    Its not the first or last time Spock pulls some remarkable unexplained conclusion out of his 'hat'. And when he does this Spock is always right.;)
     
  18. Phaser Two

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    Well, no, but all of those scenes and lines went to Chekov, lessening McCoy's screentime considerably.
     
  19. Commishsleer

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    Was watching I Mudd today and I wonder why they didn't just you know [ Norman out of existence in the 4 days he held the ship captive.
    I mean if I was Kirk and for 4 days I had to come up to the bridge with Norman blocking my way, the ship under his control, it would have taken me about a day and a half before Norman would have been a heap of molten metal.
    Kirk seems a lot more chill here than when the Riddler took his ship for a taxi ride in Season 3.
    To me it seems ridiculous that they couldn't regain control of the ship after 4 days or that Scotty couldn't have phasered the Alice that dragged him off the ship.
    Nevermind the logistics of Norman getting on the Enterprise in the first place.

    Yet another episode where McCoy warned his senior officer that something was wrong but Spock ignored him. Perhaps Spock should have been on report for that.
     
  20. johnnybear

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    Maybe the crew were really intrigued to meet whom had wanted to get hold of their ship and crew that or Mr.Norman really did have them at a disadvantage?
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